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GAA Infastructure

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭rrs


    Yes, for their new stadium.

    Louth GAA chiefs have been left stunned by the news that their long-awaited stadium project in Dundalk will not receive any money from the Government’s Large Scale Sport infrastructure Fund (LSSIF), announced this morning.

    It’s understood that the Louth County Board had applied for a €7.2m grant, but was not included amongst the 35 projects announced in the pre-election cash splurge.

    Louth is planning a 14,000-capacity stadium on the Inner Relief Road in Dundalk, and after raising €14.8m though the now defunct Immigrant Investor Programme and over €1m through a successful house draw, the stadium committee had hoped to receive another cash injection from the LSSIF.

    Louth GAA officials were quietly confident they would receive some measure of Government support for their project which, according to the most recent estimates, was expected to cost in the region of €23.5m.

    However, the funding list announced by Sports Minister Thomas Byrne only included one Louth project – a €7.2m multi-purpose basketball arena at St Oliver’s Community College in Drogheda.

    It’s understood members of the stadium committee were aware that a number of ‘Centre of Excellence’ projects planned in other counties were ahead of them on the GAA’s priority list for a grant allocation, but that they were top of the list when it came to stadium developments.

    Despite this, the redevelopment of Kerry’s Fitzgerald Stadium – which already boasts a capacity of 39,000 – was allocated €6m. Austin Stack Park in Tralee can accommodate 15,000.

    In total, there were ten GAA-specific grants announced in the scheme ranging from €650,000 up to €7m.

    The grant snub is just the latest twist in what is becoming an increasingly complicated saga for the Louth County Board.

    After receiving planning permission in 2020, the stadium was initially expected to cost in the region of €12m.

    Covid-19 halted the project for a time, and inflation in the construction sector since then saw the overall cost balloon to €25m.

    However, the project appeared to be firmly back on track when the €14.8m IIP funding was announced.

    Former Louth GAA chairperson, Peter Fitzpatrick, who had been the driving force behind the project from the beginning, controversially resigned from the stadium committee last year, over what he perceived to be a lack of support from Croke Pa



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Maybe it's because they already got 14.8m. Another 6m and they would barely have to pay anything themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭HBC08


    They raised that money themselves by taking the initiative and using a scheme to attract foreign international investors.

    It's seriously bad form that the government didn't grant them some money for their stadium when you see some of the stuff that got funds ahead of them.

    Roscommon got 5.5m for a Centre Of Excellence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭rrs


    Down got 15m in cross border funding for a new Centre of Excellence.

    DOWN GAA’s Ballykinlar centre of excellence project has taken “a significant step” forward with the announcement of more than E15m in cross-border and EU funding.

    The 30-acre development of the Ballykinlar Centre of Participation, Wellbeing and Shared Learning Hub at the former British Army base will receive €15,383,951 from the PEACEPLUS Programme. That partnership between the EU, the British and Irish governments, and the NI Executive will bring an historic, and long-awaited, project to reality.

    The Ballykinlar site will include four full-size GAA grass pitches (three of them floodlit), a covered spectator seating area, indoor multi-use games area, walking trail, gym/fitness suite, heritage museum/interpretive centre, and administrative block and community facilities.

    Down GAA Chairperson John Devaney said: “The confirmation of funding from the PEACEPLUS Programme is a significant step in our plans to develop what will be an iconic project at Ballykinlar

    “Ballykinlar and its history provides a fascinating backdrop. This is a place where parts of our local and national history intertwine, and we have an opportunity to reflect past, present and future in what we build and develop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Its a government scheme and they got 14m off it. All they done was asked and they got it same as the other groups asked this time and got it.

    I don't see why Roscommon don't deserve that money on comparison.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Yeah its very unclear what the reduced fitout means in order of cost reduction. I was just saying in the above post possable cost reductions.

    If they dont start building next year they will have to seek retention for the planning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭HBC08


    That money didn't come from the Irish government, you do understand this right?

    Also I think priority should be given to getting decent suitable grounds in all counties rather than building a COE in a county which already has a suitable ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Do Louth not already have a ground ?

    It came from an Irish government scheme to give people passports for money.

    It came from an Irish government fundraiser.

    Centres of excellence benefit loads of teams across all grades. It's good for players across Roscommon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,371 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Louth does not have a ground worthy of the name, they had to play their championship games in Inniskeen, which is only the third ground in Monaghan. Now this may reflect a lack of endeavour in the past, but that's the situation now.

    The "passport money" did not come directly from the Irish government.

    The ground is of a size where it will be well used and its location makes it suitable as a neutral venue. This is not adding on space in Killarney to be used every two or three years.

    There is a broader point here, on a political basis can the government refuse money to Louth while giving a pot of money for a stadium in Antrim?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Don't get me wrong I certainly wouldn't begrudge them it. I would much rather them have it than that nonsense down in Killarney.

    I just think there has to be a reason other than not liking Louth or something and the 14m they already got is probably it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,371 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Should we be guessing? The criteria should be transparent and perhaps they are, but they should be publicly known.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,184 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Killarney Will happen though superb location, 10 min walk from.the town center. Between, hotels guesthouses, BnB, holiday homes it's has 30-40k spaces within a 30-40 minutes

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Killarney's hotel capacity is booked up every summer anyway. Not that many stay overnight for GAA games anyway. It isn't a factor at all. In actual fact, it is the most isolated county ground in the country so has very limited appeal.

    This grant basically ensures no further development will happen in Killarney. They won't be getting another multi-million € grant and they are wasting the current grant on a terrace that isn’t needed. If they had any sense, they'd be putting the money into refurbing one of the stands. The stadium will have decent terraces at both ends but antiquated stands on either side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,184 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Killarney has one stand and will always have the terrace on the hospital side. Thenplan is to have a stand that wraps around the ends.

    The beds are for music events and coferences

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    There is a clip of Thomas Byrne in newstalk were he was asked in dalymount about criteria in regards to drogheda and why they got no money. It seams full planning is needed but than he said there was other reasons but did not clarfiy I dont think his department fully briefied him on how grants are picked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Like I said, the beds are booked up every summer anyway. Big music acts won't be going to Killarney, too isolated for most of the population. There are well established existing operators who will be far more attractive for conferences. Kerry County Board has now gotten it's grant under LSSIF they won't be getting another for a long time (assuming the scheme continues to exist).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I seen in yesterdays papers Bohs had looked at moving to parnell park when dalymount closes for the rebuild but it is now off the table. I would say more than rent been an issue the fact that parnell is heavily used by dublin gaa and sechduling may have been an issue?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Morton would probably suit them better in that regard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    For reference, here is Phase 1 of the Cavan Regional Sports hub;

    It will be interesting to see how far the €19m goes. I'd say the Sports Building would cost most if not all of it on its own.

    After those 2 pitches, I can't see any more being built at the back of Breffni. Where the Phase 2 pitches are proposed is a serious slope and he earthworks and retaining walls involved would cost a fortune.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Below is another article about casement. Its really just a rehash of various articles. I am still at a loss to what a change in fitout can save costs without a change to the main structure and still hold 30k.

    Jarlet burns seams to indicate they will tender with the planning they have. Again i cant see without major changes to the over all fabric of the stadium they can get major saving by just a fitout change.

    https://www.coliseum-online.com/casement-park-rebuild-plans-scaled-back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭rrs


    The first Air dome to be built in the North at University Ulster to host a range of Sports.

    Ulster University is set to expand its sports provision on derry campus after securing funding for the development of a new Air Dome facility.

    The 15,000 square metre indoor arena for sports and leisure activities will be a first of its size for Northern Ireland and will deliver investment in shared sports space at Northland Road, close to the existing campus.

    The Ulster University Dome will transform the old Foyle College site in the city into a shared sporting space equipped with full-size pitches suitable for soccer, Gaelic games and rugby as well as other sports, community and musical events.

    With an external perimeter and recreational trail, the dome will be connected to the Ulster University Derry-Londonderry campus and car parking facilities, becoming a hub for community events in the city with space for thousands of spectators inside.

    The £9.04m (€10.86m) investment through PEACEPLUS, a programme managed by the Special EU Programmes Body (SEUPB), will be match funded by Ulster University to deliver a significant enhancement to its student and community facilities in the north west.

    University Provost, Professor Cathy Gormley-Heenan said: “At Ulster University we are excited to take the Derry-Londonderry Dome project forward with the help of the PEACEPLUS funding announced this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Mayo GAA may be about to get in on the act of raising money from hosting other sports and events in MacHale park. This is following an approach from Connacht Rugby. The Mayo board was recently gifted a large land bank from a landowner in Bohola and this may be a way to raise funding to develop a long overdue centre of excellence.

    https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2024/10/22/mayo-gaa-set-to-develop-multi-million-euro-facility-on-donated-site-sources/

    https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2024/11/18/dillon-welcomes-mayo-gaa-stadium-being-opened-up-to-other-codes/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Does that say Mayo "may be about to" do anything ?

    More reads like a TD saying they should. The stadium is an embarrassment anyway with those stupid stone seats. Connacht would be mad to go there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Quite a needless sneering comment.

    Connacht Rugby were the ones that approached Mayo and the Mayo news podcast has confirmed that the board have received the go ahead from the clubs to get approval from Croke Park.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well none of that is in the article you posted.

    And the place is a kip and no point pretending it's not to spare feelings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    You've clearly got a major chip on your shoulder based on those angry comments so I'm not bothered with whatever you say.

    This is a GAA infrastructure thread and the posted information is for other more mannerly thread followers who may or may not be interested in the plans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭HBC08


    There's 10k modern flip up bucket seats in MacHale Park.

    Only Croker,Thurles, and PUC have more than that.Limerick has more seats aswell only if you include the no back seats in the Mackey stand.So MacHale Park has the 4th or 5th amount of proper seats in the country.

    Will be great to have such a high profile Connacht game there.Will also be the biggest home attendance for any Connacht game played in the province.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Hopefully it goes ahead. A chance for the cash strapped board to advance the COE and for connacht Rugby to promote the game outside Galway. Win win for both sports.

    Irish mirror says the rugby game would take place between the end of the league and the start of connacht championship.

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/connacht-rugby-could-way-home-34137337



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Isn't the Connaucht Rugby game just a one-off due to works ongoing at the Sports ground? So it won't be a regular source of income and won't make any difference to anything apart from maybe covering a loan repayment for Mayo CB.



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