Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Its a standard enough chicken **** hawk attack on Cheney which has been aimed at her father and the neocons for a long time. It's rather hypocritical coming from a man who dodged the draft himself but in an election where the Harris campaign is bragging about the endorsement of Cheney it does not bother me that much.

He could have phrased it better to say the least.

Cenk nailed it, obviously a lie that he called for her execution but that could be phrased a little better.

Credit to Cenk, he won't get the retweets that the likes of Rupar and Posebiac do for editing stuff out of context, but in the era of echo chambers its good to see someone with a big platform to use some critical thinking.

https://x.com/cenkuygur/status/1852442876560462319

His last one was very poor. He forgot it’s meant to be funny.
Comedians using the “I’m going to be cancelled…” is boring now.
Just crack on with your jokes.

BBC Panorama on Trump and the election this week- great programme BTW if you can watch it back/ they mentioned that his rallies are his testing ground for what goes down well with his crowd on the night - what clicks with them he then repeats at the next rallies -

So many programmes and articles I’ve seen it mentioned and referenced the “entertainment” value of these rallies and appearances - it’s totally bizarre - it shouldn’t make sense but it does to the attendees - his popularity has certainly grown through these rallies - he seems to be pushing the boundaries more and more each time - I’m not sure what’s behind that or what purpose it serves but he’s doing it

Given Biden's performance in the debate and his errors in press conferences afterwards, jettisoning Harris in couldn't have made the situation any worse for the Democrats.

Trump switches his VP pick to the Hawk Tuah girl and promises a platform of blowjobs for all, from pornstars & sex workers that he has personally vetted for quality!

IF he loses, he'll remain the head of the party.

We had this exact same conversation four years ago. A lot of people on this board seemed to be confident that he'd become irrelevant, which never happened.

The Republican establishment (Mitch McConnell/Newt Gingrich, etc) don't get to make decisions on who they run for president. Not anymore, at least. You could argue that they used to have pretty good control of this, but Donald Trump completely bypassed the party apparatus.

The party would have liked to replace him after 2020 with someone like Ron DeSantis, but DeSantis has as much charisma as beige wallpaper. Trump swept aside his 2024 primary rivals, DeSantis included, like they were hardly even there.

Trump owns the Republican base. He has created a cult of personality. He could have died last January and still have gotten more votes than Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley.

His value to the Republican base is not centered around his electability. That's nice to have, but what he represents is what really excites them.

Regarding that McCain clip, I think you're focusing on the wrong bit of it. MAGA was ready to go even then, and the Republican party either couldn't see it or didn't want to do anything about it. That woman would definitely have been wearing a MAGA hat 8 years later, if she'd lived that long.

I'm leaning toward 'didn't want to do anything about it', considering that they helped create the Tea Party, which was basically an alpha release of Trumpism.

Is politics in 2024 deserving of this kind of juvenile behaviour?

worst tropes that the Dems are leaning into

You act like the internet, radio and television doesn't exist and all of us have seen literally nothing, like zero, of what Republicans represent in the US today.

We've seen it all, it would so easy to write a 2000 word response with a litany of examples to counter the projection you are doing here but I won't go quite that far.

Just consider this, Lyndsey Graham said in 2016 that 'If we select Donald Trump, he will destroy us'. And he said that during the Republican primaries that year so he was talking about Trump destroying Republicans. And look at what has happened. If he wins on Tuesday, he has said that key people on his team could be Elon Musk, Robert Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard. Where are the renowned Republicans in that list? The stalwarts, the ones who the party will listen to and will guide their strategy in the house and the Senate? They're not there. They're in the rear view mirror. Some of the key republican names that are in the news the last couple years are low capability options including Boebert, Taylor Green and Gaetz, 3 people noteworthy for giving their date a handjob in a movie theatre, claiming the recent hurricanes were government controlled and under active investigation for sex crimes respectively. The only person who stood up to Trump while staying within the party has been Niki Halley and because of Trump again, she has been told to step outside for a minute. That's it.

I've been very impressed with how the Democrats have retained their dignity and professionalism in the face of this dumpster fire on the other side. I'm not saying they're wonderful, heroes, best ever or any nonsense like that. But in the face of the above from the Republicans, they've facilitated Biden in running a very successful administration and whatever about his stepping down and Harris stepping in, they didn't wash their laundry in public and have completely rowed in behind Harris and her campaign has been close to perfect.

I would love to see someone better placed than me to write a book about and since that statement from Lindsey Graham, if Trump loses next week, his 8 year hijacking of the party will go down in infamy as being a hostile takeover of sorts, but one that everyone could see happening and warned the people involved what was going to happen to them, but they refused to listen. And they are reaping what they selected to sow.

God I hope she wins, but if she doesn't, I'll be consoled with the fact that America deserves Trump.

He'll wreck everything and fill all of our thoughts for four years. It's just too much after Covid etc. The world needs some of America just acting normal for a while, even if they're all absolute morons. Sh*tshow of a country and it would be way better if it weren't so important.

 If Trump loses he'll almost certainly be handed out significant jail sentences in the coming 4 years

It will never happen. It should, but it won't. There is zero% chance of Trump seeing the inside of a jail cell.

Best that will happen is conviction, fine, probation etc

Not if Trump gets in, no.

That'll be much worse than where we are today, which is mostly media-generated frenzy fatigue.

Going round in circles, I can see how if you show just the 3 second clip with no context, how it looks, but if you look at whole build up, it was about the mic, and he was showing how he has to move head up and down, as it's too low. It's a case or reality v fiction . Both sides are good at it though, taking words and clips and turning them into something they're not.

"media-generated frenzy fatigue"

I think the world has lost hope. I think there is some stupid assumption that the people of this world want things to be better for future generations. But it's shoved down our throats every day that the world is fuked, beyond repair, and no one can ever fix it. So many people are choosing to not have kids because it's too hard financially and the future is painted as utter sh*t.

Instead of focusing on the future, people are just saying no and instead vote on the most immediate things. The idea that our kids will have better futures has been decimated so completely, and so many have worse lives than their parents, it's just obvious that populists win votes.

The fundamentals of life have been eroded. Maslow's hierarchy of needs doesn't work anymore. It's a mess.

Save it for the afternoon.