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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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    I don't think you have been reading the thread at all as you are completely blanking out the tactics used by Trump supporters.

    I don't believe that either candidate can be diagnosed with anything based on internet videos being watched by non medical professionals.

    However there are a lot more incidents and evidence against Trumps mental state than Biden's. For example, blanking for 40 minutes, constantly canceling appearances, ranting, not releasing medical files…

    The issue is that Trump supporters started with this line of questioning, but don't at all acknowledge it when it comes to Trump.

    Likewise you are doing this now.

    Trump called Democrat voters scum and garbage.

    Any reaction to that at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I read and watched Biden speech and he did say Trump supporters are garbage. I’ll go back to check again.

    No he didn't.

    If you think he did, you need to learn comprehension.

    To quote myself:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭reclose


    I was making a few points.
    One was that both sides supporters can’t concede when their candidate takes a misstep. I find it bizarre.

    The replies I received have proven my point.

    When the Irish election happens I’ll be picking the candidate who is the closest fit for my current wants/needs for the country.

    You can be absolutely sure that candidate will be flawed and have done things or have views I don’t align with also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,030 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Donald Trumps official account on Tik Tok posted a video of him and the garbage truck.

    It's about 8 seconds total length and it shows him take the first step towards the truck, then it cuts to him actually sitting in to the truck and closing the door. The final 5 seconds is him saying a couple words to the camera (I forget what the are) and then the truck being driven with him in it.

    I'm bamboozled by it. It doesn't make sense to me. They could have shown a longer clip, or a clip of the same length if they wanted something short of just him in the truck and stayed away entirely from him approaching it and getting in to it. But someone looked at it and said, "No, we need that, but cut out the piece of him stumbling".

    Like immediately looks like a video that was cut and its not like he had run up to the truck looking fit and healthy and smiling before he stumbled, it just shows him going him from a standing position, taking one step, and then it's cut.

    I can't figure out why someone prepared and published a video that for anyone with any basic level of knowledge of this week will know what happened and will be thinking of the bit that was cut.

    Like, for the part of it being a garbage truck to work in whatever way they want it to, you need to know the background of the week and why its not just saying this guy is a transporter of garbage, but if you know that much, you surely know that the big story was him stumbling, so why go anywhere near that part of the clip?

    Bizarre! Maybe they are so confident of victory, they think people know what the background to the stunt was and will only see it as using Bidens words against Harris. If they are that confident, it means one of us is deluded, them, or me……..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,613 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    It depends on what the definition of a Trump supporter is I guess, especially on this thread.

    One who fanatically supports him ?

    One who thinks the net positive outcome of a Trump presidency is greater for them than that of a Harris presidency ?

    One may hate Trump the person but still vote or support him, alot of people dont like what the modern Democrat party has become. Trump to them may be the lesser of two evils.

    There arent many MAGA type Trump supporters on Boards. At least the stereotype hillbilly poorly educated fanatic ones so often mentioned on here.

    So if you are asking me do I think the net positive outcome of a Trump presidency would be greater than that of a Harris presidency, at this stage yes I think I do despite all my reservations about him.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Cept that again this isn't true.

    There have been plenty of times that Harris has been criticised in valid ways.

    People also just keep pointing out all of the invalid and false ways.

    The invalid and false ways are just far more common from Trump supporters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭reclose


    ok so you are not one of the posters calling trump senile. There have been some and some of those had a problem when it was being said about Biden. My point is that it’s hypocritical if you do that.

    Did my comment when I said I’m not even going to comment on Trump get missed?

    I’m not a fan of Trump and wouldn’t vote for him.
    There a long long list of stuff you could say about him.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes. You aren't going to comment on Trump doing the same thing you want to criticise Biden for.

    Thats my point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭reclose


    Don’t be so condescending. Can you share the full speech please?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,844 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Well, that's possibly another blot on Trump's copybook, attacking a Republican vice president cos he cant stand being stood up to by a woman. His "no thanks" comment about her, a gun and fighting is laughable, given his record on that score.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭reclose


    It is true. I see it regularly on here. The normal response is “but trump”

    As I said in my last post you obviously aren’t one of those posters



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I think we are saying the same thing, bookies, with two rare exceptions I can think of, if run correctly, don't lose money. The odds move to cover their profit. Yes they make more money if one person wins over the other. Typically in horse racing, you are 100% right. My point though in regards gambling in a 2 horse race is that if heavy money goes on Harris, it wouldn't matter if every poll gave Trump a win, the odds would shift to lower the odds. It doesn't make her the favourite in real life but it does by Bookies standard.

    Can people understand now that a) if you use odds as indicative of something, it doesn't mean it's guaranteed and b) be aware that those odds change based on the money placed.

    It's a tight race according to the polls and if you are an occasional gambler with disposable income and no preference, the smart money goes on Harris (for the odds, not the actual likelihood), if you are a career gambler, you don't bet on this race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭reclose


    I tend not to listen to Trump so I only have your post of what he said. If he said that then of course he was wrong.



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  • Subscribers Posts: 42,884 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Agreed, and like I said, if there's casual gamblers out there looking for good value, Harris at around 6/4 is good value.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Again though you are misrepresenting things.

    Dismissing peoples arguments as "but Trump" is massively disingenuous.

    As is your complete editing out of the tactics being used by Trump supporters.

    This is exemplified by your own posts.

    You criticise Biden for calling Trump supporters garbage (he didn't).

    However you have stated thay you will not acknowledge the fact that Trump has also done this.

    The argument isn't "but Trump does it too".

    The argument is that your criticism isn't valid or genuine because you don't and won't acknowledge when Trump does it. Or when Trump does obviously worse.

    Why should it matter to you if Biden says people are garbage when you've no issue with Trump actually doing it? Or with Trump accusing foreigners of eating pets. Or Trump calling people "the enemy within". If you have no issue with Trump saying any of this stuff, then you have no issue with Bidens comment. If you do have an issue with that stuff then Bidens comment is a drop in the ocean by comparison.

    Trump supporters keep falling back onto this tactic. This is also something you don't want to acknowledge.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭reclose


    it’s that black or white? You’ve read every single post or you’ve not read it at all?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    did ye hear rudy say that “they came out in the jungle to the civilised world.” ? There’s a few days for either trump or his supporters to say the N word in camera or tape.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭reclose


    Dismissing peoples arguments as "but Trump" is massively disingenuous.

    Trump is a rapist was the default reply for a long time in this thread. You are even doing it now. My original post was about both sides and all you are replying to me with is what Trump has said and done.

    As is your complete editing out of the tactics being used by Trump supporters.

    I’m baffled by this comment. My original post was about both supporters.


    However you have stated thay you will not acknowledge the fact that Trump has also done this.

    You misunderstood or are misrepresenting.


    The argument isn't "but Trump does it too

    Perhaps I wasn’t clear. It wasn’t but Trump does it too. It’s but Trump is a rapist, facist, racist,criminal.


    The argument is that your criticism isn't valid or genuine because you don't and won't acknowledge when Trump does it. Or when Trump does obviously worse.

    Don’t tell me I’m not being genuine. You don’t get to decide that.



    Why should it matter to you if Biden says people are garbage when you've no issue with Trump actually doing it? Or with Trump accusing foreigners of eating pets. Or Trump calling people "the enemy within". If you have no issue with Trump saying any of this stuff, then you have no issue with Bidens comment. If you do have an issue with that stuff then Bidens comment is a drop in the ocean by comparison

    I have no idea where you’ve got these opinions from. It wasn’t from me anyway. I’m actually a little concerned you’ve come to this conclusion.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nope. But I usually try to stay at least read up on something I'm actively discussing.

    Sure. If you say so. Probably why you aren't pointing out which parts.

    As I said, you are demonstrating the real point here.

    There are valid criticisms to be made of Harris, but the majority being made, especially those of Trump supporters aren't valid ones.

    Conversely any criticism of Trump is not acknowledged or addressed by his supporters. Some might get the barest hand waving like "I don't think he should have said that." when referring to obvious racist shite.

    Or like you are doing and simply editing things out of reality and declaring that you will not respond to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Odds are given significance due to a phenomenon known as the wisdom of the crowds. Furthermore every participant in the market has to place a real stake and it presumes (almost entirely correctly) that everyone plays to win.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sorry, where have I claimed that Trump is a rapist?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,295 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    That’s the last “mortal sin” in America as far as I can see - I’ve no doubt someone is going to say it - likely someone more minor in the party - certainly not Trump - but I wouldn’t bet against it happening - that rally last Sunday or Monday or whenever it was pretty much gave “licence” to anyone to say “anything” - that’s what I took from it - very sad-

    As a fun bet- At this stage, if it could be proven post election, I’d bet on Melania telling Trump to lose the election no matter what 😀- I’ve seen the “twisted logic” in a lot of things the republicans have done and said throughout this election - but I just can’t see the logic of that rally - nothing will convince me it was “good” for the republican vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Thought I'd watch Trump's latest rally in Michigan. It's tough going. He's been speaking for nearly two hours and he's still going. Highlight was him repeatedly calling John Bolton dumb and a moron.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭reclose


    I did point them in the next post.
    what have I edited out of reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,026 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭reclose


    When I said you are doing it now, I did not mean “Trump is a rapist”.
    I mean I criticised both sides of supporters and a lot of what you are replying with is Trump this Trump that.



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