Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Isn't the opposite true? California and NY, for example, are completely ignored by the Republicans just as the Dems ignore Red states. The EC gives far too much-weighted power to a minimal number of voters. A vote in California is not worth the same as in Georgia. How is that democratic?

It makes sense in Senators, but a vote for POTUS should be popular vote I would have throught

Yup, and that's why it'll never happen, because the GOP knows they're screwed when it comes to the popular vote. It's not about representing lower-populated states, it's that they know they'll almost certainly never win the popular vote nationally any more.

The electoral college system and the way it is now only benefits the GOP/Red states, and the Dems will likely never have enough political advantage to change the system in any tangible way.

I get your point, but I believe that an election loss will fracture the Republican party irredeemably rather than set up a Dem v Rep civil war. Traditional, conservative Republicans like Cheney et al have seen their party co-opted by the MAGA fringe and when Trump loses it's going to initiate a massive identity crisis for them. When Trump steps down, the power vacuum will be enormous and all those fault lines within the party are going to diverge further. The GOP will either fracture or eat itself and to me, that's popcorn time.

Besides Harris, if she wins, has the forces of the States behind her to ensure that peace and security is maintained; MAGA are not going to go to war with the National Guard or the Police so they'll likely target people of colour, their homes, schools, businesses etc. in a swathe of domestic terrorism. It will not be pretty, whatever the outcome of this election.

Literally nobody said Biden was in perfect health. Nobody. This thread was more or less united in disbelief that the best the American political system could throw up was these two geriatric old farts to govern the most powerful country on earth for the next four years.

Also Harris, and I am hopeful it will be a decent margin too.

The current mainstream polls being neck & neck yet also imputing a 3 to 5% margin of error gives me hope that this time? DonTheCon™ is over performing in polling.

Amendment. It's a role prescribed in the constitution

Ive read it about 5 times today alone that Harris supports open borders. She does not. Like Biden, she wants to come up with a solution that does not involve detainment camps. She helped write the partisan bill that a certain someone torpedoed.

Who will win? I am quietly confident Harris will win. Ive read on this thread the theory of the "Shy Trump Voter". What does any Trump voter have to be shy about? Conversely, if you are pro-choice in some parts of the US, your own life can be in danger if certain people found out. So you would not be shouting from the roof tops that you plan to vote for Harris. Indeed, if someone called you out of the blue asking who you plan to vote for you might say Trump just to protect yourself. Which could explain the neck and neck nature of the polls.

So I have confidence in there being many shy Harris voters out there.

All of the prominent Republicans endorsing Harris will have to count for something.

The A-listers, endorsing Trump include Hulk Hogan, Kid Rock, Dr Phil, Mel Gibson and Buzz Aldrin.

Supporting Harris, and the list is long, includes Taylor Swift, Jennifer Lopez, Madonna, Beyonce and all of the Avengers(actors).

Land doesn't vote. People do.

Holding the Electoral college up as an example of good representation? Fundamentally misunderstands what representation should be.

There is far more wrong with representative democracy in the US than just the EC. All votes in federal elections should carry equal weight, particularly in Presidential elections. The limit of 435 members of the House is archaic and grossly unrepresentative. The weight afforded all states even those that are mostly empty and unpopulated by affording them 2 senators? Yet that ensures Puerto Rico (and other US territories )doesn't have any voting representatives in HOC, nor Senators, nor votes in the EC. Is undemocratic. Affording DC 3 Electoral college votes but only 1 congressman and no Senators is unrepresentative because, as I mentioned earlier, land doesn't vote. It means 5.5million DC residents have 1 congressman (woman) 3 EC votes and no senators. Whilst Wyoming, with a population of 540k, has 1 congressman, 2 senators & 3 EC votes.

Why is a Wyoming resident's Presidential vote weighted at x11 the value of a DC resident?

Why is a Puerto Ricans resident not considered worthy of a presidential vote at all?

And the Ukrainians, and Ireland, and......

Charlie Kirk here, weighing in on the "garbage" comment by Biden and without a scent of irony, says what the rest of us think...

I think that fracture has already occurred, but it occurred in the form of a gradual purge as opposed to a united bloc of members getting up and leaving it in protest.

But more importantly than that, Trump's popularity within the party isn't fundamentally predicated on his ability to win elections. His standing among his supporters cannot be defined by the parameters of a system they're already suspicious of, if not outright hostile towards. This group obviously doesn't encompass the entire Republican base, but it covers enough of it to ensure that Trump will never fall into political oblivion. For these people, it's Trump's ability to create chaos, and provoke indignation and outrage among their political opponents that makes him the man.

And the other thing is that if the party didn't fracture after Trump's previous loss and the subsequent events of Jan 6th, then that leaves an extremely high water mark in terms of an event so shocking that it forces reasonable Republicans to unify and move against Trump and MAGA.

Thats just authentic frontier jibberish brother johnson

"What he meant was....."