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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,537 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    The words of the comedian who always makes jokes like that don't represent the Trump campaign whose political rally he was hired to speak at?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Would you vote in someone running to govern you who said your home was a shithole and you and your neighbors were undesirables?

    Deny/Deflect/Dodge/Minimize.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,838 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Isn't it a bit of a stretch to liken Irish country people to Trump where it comes to politics?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭8mv


    It suits the Trump supporters that the media are focusing on this comedian - they can pretend to disavow him and all will be fine. From the clips I saw the whole **** thing was a hate-filled, bigoted freak show. The centerists need to decide if these are the people who reflect their world views. Own it or abandon it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Was it really though? Seemed to me like an 'edgy' Jimmy Carr-type gag referencing these yokes

    For MAGA types it probably doesn't matter. Donald Trump could shoot a child in broad daylight and they'd probably call the child a radical democrat. But for everyone else it should be a watershed moment. We'll see if it is or not.

    As an aside. Jimmy Carr is already edgy. This was just straight up racism. And I'm far from being woke. He was making jokes about carving watermelons FFS. It was absolutely horrendous.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    For Trump fans the racism and demeaning of people is an attractive feature. Not that they'll admit it, but deep down they love it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,537 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Not at political rallies a week before an election.

    And that's the thing; context. Tony Hinchcliffe is popular with his audience for those types of jokes. You go to see a Tony Hinchcliffe show, you get Tony Hinchcliffe jokes.

    At a political rally a week before an election, you're there as a representative of the campaign. You're not in front of your audience speaking to people who want to hear your jokes. The words or jokes you use are part of the campaign event to all voters. So Hinchcliffe's jokes became part of the Trump campaign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,015 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The outrage about it will be washed away shortly in the news cycle, as has everything about Trump and co. in the whole of their existence as a political force.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,425 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    It's usually only washed away by things even more terrible than the last…

    Unless…

    …Jesus, are they going to try and assassinate him AGAIN?!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Maybe making fun of Peurto Rico as a kip is part of the parlance for Americans.

    Mod Edit: Warning issued for trolling. One week forum ban also applied

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,838 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    As a warm-up act, it doesn't compute with the campaign disavowing all knowledge of Hinchcliffe's routine, which is weird in itself. I hadn't looked at the video of Hinchcliffe at the MSG event as I don't agree with Trump. I had read of the comments but ascribed them to being the usual drivel from Trump himself to enrage the opposition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed "They are just jokes about a place being a bit untidy and fruit, no big deal" is the playbook it seems

    When every major news outlet in the US is reporting on it except for Fox - you know it's not good



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Probably not the cleverest to insult your voters.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    The thing about insult comedy is it tends only to work when the person being insulted is in the room, unless it's self-deprecating (eg the comedian is Puerto Rican himself). I mean, the place is a bit of a dump, in other contexts the joke would be amusing (disclosure: I am married to a Puerto Rican), but talk about being utterly tone deaf. How did nobody think that would be clipped and sent virally around the country, especially given the background chatter? The absolute best case would have been a few people laughed. That wasn't worth the risk which should have been bloody obvious.

    I don't know if that one comedian (Of whom I had never heard before) is going to cost Trump the election, but it sure as hell isn't going to help him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Puerto Rico enjoying their limelight I suspect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,635 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    And NYC has a large Puerto Rican population, so clever to slag the place there.

    Oh, and Convicted Felon Trump not liking Puerto Ricans very much is in fact a matter of public record: the redlining case.

    "In October 1973, the Civil Rights Division filed a lawsuit against Trump Management Company, Donald Trump and his father Fred Trump, alleging that African-Americans and Puerto Ricans were systematically excluded from apartments. The Trumps responded with a $100 million countersuit accusing the government of defamation."

    https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/02/trump-fbi-files-discrimination-case-235067



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,838 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Wouldn't that be racist? Puerto Rico has been an unincorporated part of the US since 1898. If Hinchcliffe's comedy routine were to backfire outside the MSG audience and stir up Puerto Ricans living in the US states where they can vote in the election for president, what would Trump do; just shrug it off or go bananas on Truth Social about some ungrateful citizens siding with Harris?



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    DOnt forget before anyone starts with the notion that it was fine that came from a comedian not Trump, Trump was saying **** like this:

    "On day one, I will launch the largest deportation programme in American history," he said. "I will rescue every city and town that has been invaded and conquered."

    Trump added: "Once I take office, the migrant invasion of our country ends and the restoration of our country begins."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Oh don't forget the quip against Latinos and the watermelon jibe at Blacks

    Imagine the disaster if an approved white comedian, with a history of making racist jokes, at a vitriolic MAGA convention were to have a not-so-subtle go at those large voting blocks a week before the election.

    I'm really hoping they bring him back.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 143 ✭✭King Power Fox


    One Trump reporter has come back with a few replies. Are the rest of them Mod banned? How many of them are the same person/organization?

    Mod Edit: Warning issued for discussing moderation on thread. One day forum ban also applied

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,015 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If Hinchcliffe manages to lose Trump the election, or at least be a factor, the phrase 'Kill Tony' will be thrown around as more than a snappy podcast title within MAGA circles.



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The MSG rally sort of reminds me of the famous scene in Citizen Kane where after the massive rally Kane sits among the discarded bunting deconstructing where it all went wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭CrazyEric


    My tuppence worth, the Press have been taking the p155 for months now. The race is in no way close, Harris to win in a landslide would be my prediction.

    The whole "Close Race" thing suits everybody, Republicans because they know the candidate is a disaster and they have to believe they have a chance of winning and keep the faithful donating, The Democrats because they know that it was complacency that killed Hillary's bid so they want to keep everyone engaged and the press because if they don't have a close race they have no story to sell.

    The absolute racist tone of the MSG event will allow the press (except Fox) to turn on Trump now and pretend they weren't peddling the close race narrative for any other reason than their own self serving interests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,537 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Saw people saying online that if Trump loses the election because of this, it'll be the first time a comedian bombed so hard that it changed the course of U.S. history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,030 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The comedian was only part of last night's story.

    And the tone and language was too similar across multiple speakers for it to be passed off as being one individual failing to read the room.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,196 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Saw this on twitter

    "The Trump campaign put that comedian's "joke" on the teleprompter and Don Jr. and other Trump acolytes retweeted"

    Don't know if it is true but Trump's party is riddled with degenerates so I tend to believe it unless it is contradicted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,015 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I doubt Hinchcliffe's words would really be a factor. He can defend it as edgy, roast-type jokes. If the Democrats go too hard on clutching pearls over it, they'll just end up coming across all humourless and Mary Whitehouse to younger voters, nagging people on what they should be angry about. Seems like a better strategy would just be to give the Trump campaign enough rope to hang themselves with independent voters and let them come to a dim-view conclusion of Trump and co. on their own.

    Sit back and let the Trump campaign get confident enough to completely throw the mask aside…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,702 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I really hope you're correct. But I can't say I share your certainty.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Brought to you buy the movement that got rabidly upset about politicizing sports when a black man kneeled for the anthem to address racial injustices:

    https://www.mediaite.com/sports/watch-san-francisco-49ers-star-nick-bosa-crashes-post-game-interview-to-show-off-his-maga-hat/

    Clearly what they meant was sports can be politicized when ‘we’ do it.

    Now, if an athlete shows up in a few days with a Harris hat or something to a Post game interview will they lose their minds or will they even see the irony?

    Just as fun yesterday was this image doing the rounds again, comparing the Super Bowl helmet each POTUS got from a corresponding New England Patriots win:

    IMG_6397.jpeg

    I think one is more revered than the other.



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