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Election to be called Fri - predict outcome

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Yeah, I suspect her wait will go on. Ahern done her over a couple of times..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Joe286


    You are right about FF Being the father of the housing crisis. FG /Lab mismanagement of housing 2011 - 6 added to it.

    But at the moment bucket loads of money and schemes being thrown at it.

    There is improvement. We are building more houses than most countries in western Europe per population but it is still not enough.

    We must do better but there is no magic bullet.

    My friend had a large parcel of land with planning permission on the market for a year. No takers.

    Reasonable price.

    Before you answer ask yourself what builders or developers have you talked to lately?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,889 ✭✭✭pureza


    Indeed,planners prevented 100’s of houses from starting in my local town until the local sewerage system opens

    It opens next year…

    It’s non sensical decisions like that,which are adding to the problem and it’s an artificial delay created in 2024



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭tarvis


    That list shows how easy it could be to exclude the FFG axis and gain 4 non FFG seats.
    Time to show them that many people have had enough of the FFG stranglehold on the levers of power. . The days of Repeating the same mix and expecting a different result need to end.
    But only voters can change things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    What are you waffling about? FG is gaurenteed one seat there, also, the "lists" are irrelevant. It's the constituencies that matter, and that's just one of them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭MFPM


    While it's by no means impossible to see 4 TDs returned here from neither FF/FG, it would be a major surprise if PD were to lose out, hilariously funny and welcome but highly unlikely!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    No chance of that happening, he is very popular, and a very adept politician



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭Good loser


    And probably the smartest person in the Dail. Well regarded at home and abroad. We are lucky to have him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Catherine Murphy called to the door this morning. Lovely lady. Targeting 10 seats and will go in to government but would insist on having minister for disability services.

    Fair play to her canvassing. I’ll give their candidate a number 2 (Aidan Farrell)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Really looking bad for the greens based on the latest opinion poll, which is all of their own doing.

    Poll shows support for Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael almost equal ahead of next election

    Meanwhile, Sinn Féin has seen another drop in popularity. 8.02am, 27 Oct 2024 9.2k106

    SUPPORT FOR FIANNA Fáil and Fine Gael is almost equal ahead of the next General Election, according to the latest opinion poll. 

    The Business Post/Red C poll shows that with the country set to head to the polls in the coming weeks, Fianna Fáil is up three percentage points to 21% while Fine Gael has dropped by a point to 22%.

    Meanwhile, Sinn Féin dropped by one point in the last month to 17%. This is down ten percentage points from where the party was six months ago. 

    Among the smaller parties, support for the Social Democrats has dropped by one point to 5% while the Green Party has also dropped one point to 3%. Labour remains unchanged on 4%.
    Support for independents remains unchanged at 15%, with support for Independent Ireland increasing one point to 5%.

    People Before Profit-Solidarity remains on 3%, while Aontú has dropped one point to 3%.

    Taoiseach Simon Harris has confirmed that the election will take place on a Friday and that the possible dates are within a “pretty narrow window”.

    The likeliest date for the country to go to the polls is 29 November, the date Green Party leader Roderic O’Gorman has already stated is his preferred date. It’s also understood this date is favoured by other senior government ministers.

    Here is the full state of the parties: 

    • Fine Gael 22 (-1)
    • Fianna Fáil 21 (+3)
    • Sinn Féin 17 (-1)
    • Independents 15 (=)
    • Social Democrats 5 (-1)
    • Independent Ireland 5 (+1)
    • Labour 4 (=)
    • People Before Profit-Solidarity 3 (=)
    • Green Party 3 (-1)
    • Aontú 2 (-2)

    The poll was conducted between 18 and 23 October 2024 and is based on online interviews with a random sample of 1,003 adults. The margin of error is 3%

    Taken from The Journal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    It might be a bad poll for the Greens. It might be a great poll for the Greens. We'll never know for sure. You know why? Cos the Margin of Error is 3%. Same logic applies to all of the smaller parties in the low single digits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,813 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Plus it's very hard to know how many seats 3,4,5 % of FPV translates into for those parties: Aontu were on 4% in the previous issue of that poll, unlikely to produce more than one seat, whereas PBP could easily win 4 or 5 seats on their current 3%…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Joe286


    The Greens are fucked. Any fool can see that



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,358 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Well the Greens reduced the bus fares which increased the passenger numbers. Cycle paths have increased as has the number of users. PT is a priority because of their involvement. Cost of child care has reduced because of RO'G. Insulation grants and refurb grants are going ahead.

    Not bad for a fringe group.

    Now what did SF, Labour, SD, PBP and the Indos achieve?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Sam, with respect, it's hard for parties outside of government to "achieve" anything.

    If you think the Greens have been a success which your post seems to indicate, i'd say there is quite some bias.

    Irish people aren't stupid, they generally fundamentally agree with some of the green ethos. The problem the Green Party have is the people delivering their message, their lack of credibility, and moreso, their lack of talent.

    I'm not gonna say they are fcuked come the election, but i wouldn't be too confident.

    For the Greens sake the best thing that can happen to them is for ROG, Martin & Chu not to be elected. Grace O'sullivan gets elected (I assume she's running) and becomes de-facto leader. She speaks a lot of common sense



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,358 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    I am not biased towards the Green Party, but I do recognize their achievements despite their minor status in the Gov.

    Ryan should have done more to further the M20 and less to further the freight line to Foynes. He should have furthered the dual track of Limerick to LJ, and Galway to Athenry - at least that would have achieved something. PT fares have reduced and passenger numbers have increased. Cycle paths now mean more people cycle. All good.

    RO'G had an impossible job with the IP arrivals, with the ultra right protesting and rioting violently against them - even when they are generating the rumours themselves. However, childcare costs have been reduced - so that is something.

    The opposition just shout from the hip to an empty chamber with the Gov TDs leaving to get on with important business.

    No party can achieve anything much from the opposition benches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭mattser




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Exactly, when we look back on this Dail, we will be able to say that the Greens achieved a lot, while SF and the others achieved nothing.

    What are people in politics for? To achieve things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    PBP and their ilk, are only in Politics to earn an easy living while shouting once a week in the dail and popping up on an occasional panel to talk bollox. I'd say the same for some Indo's too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I lost all faith in the Social Democrats when they turned down the opportunity to be in the present government and have the Health portfolio when their co-founder Roisin Shorthall had been chair of the All-Party Committee on the Future of Healthcare which produced the Slaintecare reform plan for the Irish health service where she could have implemented those reforms.

    She was also former Minister of State at the Department of Health so knowing how toxic the Health portfolio is, to me they just became another party happy to shout from the sidelines rather than getting involved and attempting to make a difference.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭MFPM


    That's utterly disingenuous. You may not agree with them, but you know little of being in politics if you think it's an 'easy' living. As for talking 'bollox' even if it were true (it's not) it's hardly the sole preserve of PBP, is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    You'll forgive me if you will for saying that Murphy is the greatest political charlatan to have ever graced the Dail. He's a spoofer, a chancer and has fcuk all regards for the people he represents.

    Brid Smith? Mouthpiece who only ever saw the side of her own argument.

    RBB, In fairness, he's the only one of that lot coherent enough occasionally to debate a point, but is a dail show pony

    Gino Kenny……………………

    But listen, that's just my opinion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    PBP dont even show up once a week

    Its election time so they are all in your face, before that did anyone see or hear from Paul Murphy or the rest from one month to another?

    Now turn on any social media adn they are al over the place. Need to keep that cushy number going for another few years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    "Irish people aren't stupid" Really? every small party goes into government they are blamed for everything and burn for the next election.

    The Greens have been blamed for closure of electricity plants: done by previous government

    They have bee blamed for turf, which was planned to be implemented in 2019 only FF and FG couldn't agree how quickly and pushed it out for a few months

    The list goes on of what the "Irish people" have blamed the Green Party for which has nothing to do with them

    We also have a long Green policies thread which is just used to bash the Green Party, one vocal person told me on the thread he was voting in SF to stop the wind madness. When I pointed out that SF plan was to increase the investments in wind and do it quicker than the current government it went quiet. So "Irish people aren't stupid"? I think we can all agree thats not 100% correct

    "Some Irish people aren't stupid" is a better description



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I was told by MHR son that he's done a huge amount for the people of Kerry. When pressed, he couldn't mention 1 thing.

    Granted he's help as lot of individuals with organising cataract operation up north and other stuff but not one thing could he say about his dad

    I suppose I did fluster him when I referred to his comment about his family owning Kerry and his own brush with the law. Never realised it was him 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    No, talking "bollox" isn't the sole preserve of PBP, however it is the only thing they do, whereas all other parties do other stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Again you're political bias is clouding your judgement and analysis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Sounds like an indirect compliment to SF Blanch, fair play 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭MFPM


    What do mean they don't show up?

    One of the main gripes thrown at PBP here (and elsewhere) is that they get disproportionate media coverage yet here you are arguing they only turn up at election time, which is it? 🤣

    Should they not use social media?

    Cushy number? Does that go for all TDs, what's you're proposals for making it not a 'cushy number'?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    PBP are a whole party of Pearse Dohertys, only have shouting mode, only have protesting mode, not a single positive contribution to Irish society can be attributed to PBP.

    Compare that to Labour - same sex referendum etc. - or the Greens - childcare, Local Link etc. - who both have real tangible positive contributions to Irish society that they can reference over the last decade.



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