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Dispute with mod

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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,561 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    You might think it's unfair. But that doesn't mean it's not true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    I complained about moderation in a polite manner openly stating the facts that there is inconsistent moderation and not only was the thread right here closed without being addressed I got a further infraction for speaking out.

    The solution would have been to either remove that infraction for me or apply it consistently to the other poster with identical comment

    But no there clearly are moderators who gone on a power trip and reading this thread it seems no honest attempt at addressing issue multiple posters have now raised

    The attitude seems to be to bury head in sand and just ban anyone who speaks out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    It is very unfair for you to take a position like that when we have no process to appeal warnings or discuss them.

    I believe some warnings were given in the heat of the moment, but look, I can't discuss it, so I'll stop there.

    Happy that I still have the ability to register my thoughts on here.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,597 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I just looked at that thread. You didn't report the post you were complaining about. Instead, you sought to make out as if you were being persecuted when you clearly weren't.

    It's a pretty obvious display of bad faith, honestly.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    I did report it at first via the report function

    No need to gaslight me now



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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,561 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    @thatsdaft if you'd like a sensible discussion with moderators about moderation can you leave out the calls of "power trip". You've mentioned it multiple times now.

    Whether you like it or not, moderators do have "power"! Very few have the egos to go on power trips however. Warning an anonymous name on an internet forum - the heady heights of domination, wha?!

    Moderators apply warnings. Mostly with good reason, sometimes over-zealously, rarely completely in the wrong. If you would like to appeal it please do (so long as it is appealable!) But try your best to do so without the need to take the moderators down a peg or two by taking a dig at them. That's the type of posting that will get your warning upheld.

    And that's consistent across the site.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,561 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,597 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I did a search using different parameters and nothing appeared. There are hundreds of reported posts a day and I've no intention of sifting through them for someone who uses the term "gaslight" so flippantly. It's not a good way to convince anyone that you're being honest.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    That’s the thing, the warnings clearly are not being consistently applied, and when one points that out you get more warnings instead of the issues being examined and addressed it feels like there is an attempt to punish posters

    Which is just daft for a site that had such serious declines in user participation and visits



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,561 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I never said warnings are consistently applied.

    I said what's consistent is any appeal that includes digs and casual abuse at the moderation or admin team will be upheld and shut down. If you want to discuss a warning we expect you to do it without name calling.

    It has been noted that warnings aren't consistently applied. There are many factors that lead to one poster being warned where another might not. I have outlined some of the reasons already on this thread and the other feedback threads I extensively explained why there might be differences in the application of warnings.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    you basically created a subforum where mods can do whatever they want and not be questioned for it by blocking appeals or discussion

    That’s daft



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,372 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    What is the issue of the thread then?

    If its just the link dump query then it should have been shut down long ago.

    Or is it to discuss issues with moderation in general especially wrt to CA?

    Because I brought up here that there is a general mod instruction on the CA Trump v Harris thread about calling him a rapist. I do not believe that blanket instruction to be justified.

    Was that off topic?

    Can you clarify how such a complaint should have been raised and the case made without mentioning Trump?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,372 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I asked on this thread if posts in this forum should be reported or if we should assume all posts are eyeballed by an admin and got no response.

    There is a post on this thread from BBOC which appeared to suggest posters should not be reporting posts here which is why I asked.

    It wasnt clear if they meant posters shouldnt report or merely that really there shouldnt be reportable posts here.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,655 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I got your point about the feedback thread.

    I was referring to the point you made that you automatically filter and delete emails unread, in relation to a category you are a mod / cmod for.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,561 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Discussing moderation, moderation instruction etc is not off topic here.

    It's all the offtopic discussion that followed that that was offtopic!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I think the latter, they were surprised a help desk thread is gotten to that point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,372 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    That was my hunch but given there was talk of site bans on the thread I thought best to be certain.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,655 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    You see, there's the knee jerk reactions and sly digs again. I'm not sure if you don't understand what I posted, or are deliberately misunderstanding what I posted.

    With all due respect, BBOC, I think you have a tendancy to make knee jerk reactions yourself. I don't see any sly digs in that post. Only frustration from a poster who is trying to get their point across.

    Again, I mean this with all due respect, and not as a dig, but maybe you shouldn't take everything posted about moderation so personally.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,597 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I am not reading hundreds of emails a day for this site when I'm not a mod for any Social and Fun forum. I don't see what the problem is.

    All posts or all reported posts? I would report anything here you think breaches the rules. If BBOC or any admin says differently, go with what they say but people report HelpDesk posts on a regular basis. I don't see why this thread should be any different.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,655 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    < It says "Social and Fun Moderators" under your name, so apologies for any confusion.

    I took that to mean you are a Mod for that category as well as a CMod.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    But I think in this thread we've had people arguing about, immigration, Trump, rape, trans issues, refugees, racism, the definition of racist, and someone being accused of being an antagonistic Man Utd supporter. None of that at all relevant to the issue of the thread.

    Just on the racism thing, to pick an example. A user could say 'you get warned for calling a racist a racist, while they get to spew their bile on thread without sanction', which might be a legitimate complaint. But that invites discussion, if the thread isn't actively very heavily moderated, it's going to meander somewhat



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,597 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    You and others continue to have a laugh, why don't you. I see the posts. But this is what happens when you highlight issues on this site(my opinion), I thought it might alright. And I see other cellmates in this thread. Have they stemmed from this discussion?

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    Next threat from them is a temporary site ban. I've to walk on egg shells now. Someone mentioned coercive control yesterday.

    I can't open a Dispute, even if I wanted to. But, as I've pointed out that system is a charade. But carry on, keep laughing, this is fine.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    But I think in this thread we've had people arguing about, immigration, Trump, rape, trans issues, refugees, racism, the definition of racist, and someone being accused of being an antagonistic Man Utd supporter. None of that at all relevant to the issue of the thread.

    And those posts are not even 25% of the posts of this thread. Most of the posts of this thread, 75% or more, are about mods and moderation, rules, and what is acceptable and what isn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭aero2k


    That's a really well expressed post. All conflicts have to get resolved in the middle ground, unfortunately some insist on taking extreme positions.

    There isn't enough money to persuade me to volunteer for the thankless task of moderation (I'd be crap at it anyway). I suspect much of the problem comes down to the lack of resources. I had a sort of utopian idea of moderation being like what happens in tv debates, where mods could for example fact check. Acting only on reported posts means that one or other side can take the p1ss, and actually could give rise to accusations of mod bias, when they are merely dealing with what's been placed in front of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    I mean no offence to anyone who believes that they have a genuine grievance with a mod, but anyone who equates moderation on this site with "coercive control" needs to step out into the fresh air and give their head a good wobble.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,561 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    This thread could act as a case study. A sample of what goes on right across the site in various forums. The types of PMs moderators get. The types of arguments presented when reasonable warnings are applied.

    Most forums are fine.

    Vast majority of posters are fine.

    A tiny percentage of posters take up a huge percentage of moderator and admin time. This is where warnings + short bans + no appeal has helped to cut down the workload.

    Some posters are accepting of the changes, a small number understandably are not quite so happy.

    We'll never please everyone. Luckily it's not a requirement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 howdydoo83


    Speaking of disputes as per the title. How come the dpr is still so slow considering it's about 1 per month? No answer to the one opened 6 days ago.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,561 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Sometimes mods don't see them. Sometimes a mod might not have been online. Sometimes a mod sees it but doesn't want to get involved due to history with a poster and perceived "bias", so leaves it for someone else to pick up.

    Often a dispute can go unanswered for various reasons. When brought to the moderators' attention though it does get addressed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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    ”Bickering”

    @bagofchips - a question - who tends to get the warning ?

    I’ve found a number of times , you post something, someone replies and disagrees, I reply back then they reply again then I reply. etc

    At what point does replying to user become “bickering” ? Where I’ve had a warning for bickering the initial reply to my post where this occurs tends to be off hand and smarmy anyway or at least “uncivil” - how come it tends to be the person who just posted something that ends up being warned for bickering where in fact, it’s the people continue to pester the OP that are at fault



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