The accelerating fall in Sinn Féin support

It might do SF good in the long run a speeding up of a good clear out, a restructuring, distancing from criminality (both paramilitary and organised crime) and moving them towards the process of "normalisation" as political party. I think it could take 20-30 years yet as former leaders/sphere's of influence are always in the shadows. As long as SF NI is the main SF, it is going to be difficult.

But at least SF now have an opportunity to work on "SF ROI", but in doing so, I think a "culture clash" with "SF NI" is inevitable.

A united Ireland doesn't need SF to be in government.

There's loads of people who want a united Ireland but won't vote SF for a host of reasons.

Every member of my extended family, about 40 voters

Not long ago they were lording it over the media with all their SLAP court cases, very much part of the strategic armoury of an ideological controlling organisation. It doesn't suit the Irish political psyche, we elect our representatives primarily because we know them, they're ours, not theirs, we understand that they subscribe to a party system, but are not slaves and minions to it. It's a mutually beneficial arrangement, but a TD first and foremost begins life as a local representative, not the enforcer of a culture, a one trick pony. All politics is local.

Constituents only lend a party their mandate. Sinn Fein wouldn't respect that arrangement, they have so many unsanctioned goals to pursue that are driven by a core unelected elite, unseen and unnamed, (but probably not unarmed). That is not acceptable or safe for democracy.

Who remembers the incident at a party function where a local man was stabbed to death openly by a member of this elite, who then silenced the community, destroyed the evidence, and perverted the course of justice to protect itself and it's power, and threatened his family when they sought justice. That was 2005, only 19 years ago. The facts of this case makes covering up an accusation of dirty talking to a child look like playground bullying.

RIP Robert McCartney, 2005.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Robert_McCartney

They've moved the troops here. Over 20 posts since 9:00pm yesterday. So many in the day I had to turn off notification.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058248567/sinn-fein-and-how-do-they-form-a-government-dilemma/p189

That's a shocking case. I'd never heard of it. The wiki page references the murder of Joseph Rafferty which in turn links to the murder of Paul Quinn which in turn references the murder of Gerard Evans.

I'm not going any deeper down the rabbit hole.

avoid this thread? lads, some of you may get over yourselves

I voted SF all my life,, But not any more ,, I'm finished with them.

Just some of the recent irks I have include.

The recent referendum Leo made us do, to delete the Irish mammy from our constitution, Mary Lou said she would run it again,, as the Irish people are too stupid to know what we are voting for…

The MUP on the cans of beer from Lidl ,, Mary Lou said we should pay more for beer, and it was for our own good.

The new return your empty cans machines ,, and having to bring your empties back on the bus, when we all have a recycle bin out in the back garden doing nothing ..

And the complete silence from SF on migrant immigration,, until it all exploded, only then did SF speak up. Too Late

Also they should have said something about the RTE scandal, they really need to show some balls on this one..

His friend, who he initially tried to defend, had his throat slit and was left to die alongside Robert. Somehow he survived, but couldn't remember anything either when it came to the court case.

This is what you're being asked to vote for folks.

The untouchables. The poor man probably done no more than insulted someone with a thin skin, but these guys were lording it, like the Sopranos, and would likely get full SF honours at their funerals, after they die peacefully in their beds. We're not talking 50+ years ago, the 'troubles'. This is contemporary, 2005. I'm glad some posters are reading about this for the first time, perhaps you were too young, or too busy with the surge in our domestic fortunes here. Maybe you didn't even listen to mainstream news, as the new media age took hold. I recall it so clearly, I know what it's like to be surrounded by thugs as a very young man. I was consumed with a rage and hatred for those smug bastards that never left me, and never will. Maybe SF will evolve into normalcy after a hundred years. Not nineteen though. Way to soon.

They're driven by the North, and their previous election result. Remember, they left seats behind through lack of candidates as they'd no idea of the barrage of votes coming their way. Statistics wouldn't be their strong point. What the godfathers got a glimpse of though, was a SF government north and south, unification, an unassailable SF in power for decades on the whole Island. Marxist socialist policies that would ruin the country, and give them the excuse to suppress the opposition outcry. That's what these type of politicians do. Remember their sinister threatening slogan also, tiocfaidh ár lá, Our day will come. That was directed at us as well as the unionists. 'Our' never included anyone else.

Jasas lads its like some one plugged out all the shinnerbots

i wonder if sf will immerse itself in criminality not that they seem to have completely blown politics ? go fuul time taxing drug dealers and smuggling ?

this is what happens when your organisation is controlled by some pervy old provos in the back room of a pub somewhere

Odd: this thread was showing as having not updated since the middle of the month. For over a week, this thread was showing on my device as having no new comments, and fell off my first page of the Current Affairs forum. Anybody else?

I hope usual SF supporters stay away from this thread. It’s like a private chat about SF now without some nonsense about ‘Mehole’ or the ‘TikTok Taoiseach’ derailing things