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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭francois


    I've seen that, also loads of far right MAGA accounts claiming AI video smear about him about to drop. An interesting October surprise one would hope. But you are right to caveat it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,706 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Irrespective of Trump's stupid comments, as a matter of fact Wehrmacht officials and lower ranks in all three branches were technically forbidden to be members of the NSDAP. Anyone who joined the armed forces had to suspend their Party membership. Generally, if you pardon the term, it was preferable for German officers to remain out of politics, however quite a number had been members in the 30's, between 25% and 30% IIRC.

    The vast majority of them weren't Nazis in any shape, though, and many were actually quite hostile toward it. Erwin Rommel, Erich Von Manstein, Gerd Von Rundstedt, Gotthard Heinrici, Albert Kesselring, Adolf Galland, Werner Molders are just a few of the famous names that found themselves at odds with party politics on numerous occasions. Von Rundstedt in particular had little good to say about the Nazis and, along with numerous other Generals, actually opposed the appointment of Walter Von Reichenau as Chief of Staff in the 30's because Von Reichenau was too well disposed to the Party. Numerous Army generals were very dubious about the military getting too close to the party and its politics.

    The reality of the above doesn't acquit the German Army of their association with the Nazi Party however. They were servants of Hitler and the Party and carried out its war aims, whether they were opposed to them or not. As the war progressed, though, opposition became much, much, harder to express for obvious reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    There's a real desperation now about the Harris campaign. The literally Hitler stuff is not going to win them votes. Like nobody with an IQ over 4 is going to believe a hit piece from a publication owned by a Harris donor. This can't be all they have??

    Get out there and let's here about policy for goodness sake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,032 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Apparently he was caught on video groping a minor. Take that with a very large pinch of salt. But MAGA are spinning wildly about a video which is to be released

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭techdiver


    We all know this will be nothing as usual. We hear this crap time and time again and nothing gets released. As much as I want it to be true, it'll be a nothing story in 24 hours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭PixelCrafter


    When you see headlines like this, it just reminds me of Russia.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c1jrld1kjp3t

    I was watching a discussion last night on two news channels about how they were wondering if Congress or the courts might just overturn the election if it's close and Harris wins.

    The US doesn't really look like a developed democracy anymore. It just seems to be rapidly turning into something more like Russia or some of the strong-man presidential quasi-dictatorships.

    Rule of law seems to be increasingly dubious and you've various oligarchs trying to buy an election.

    The whole system just seems to be melting into chaos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Not made with hands


    I've not been following it closely but I saw a bit about Musk and Trump this evening.

    Id say he'd be next in line for the throne only for he's ineligible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Isn't it republicans (mostly trumps staff) publishing all the hitler stuff? Should the DNC be trying to stop them, somehow?

    Harris, meanwhile, is on all shows talking policy.

    trump is wheezily running and hiding (rogan maybe?)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭doyle55


    Would it even matter if it was true?

    Everyone knows what he is about & those going to vote for him will still vote for him.

    This thread sums it up nicely.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Vance just told a crowd Trump is healthier than he is.

    That raises a lot of questions about what grave medical ailments JD Vance is hiding from the public…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Not made with hands


    BBC were saying similar. No matter what comes out people will just vote for him anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The NH Republican gov was on CNN today indicating as much, telling the host that 'it's about the results' they don't care that Trump adores Hitler they care about winning elections and getting their agenda accomplished. It's not about principles it's about winning by any means.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    A Trump/Kari Lake supporter has been arrested in Arizona and charged with a slew of crimes in relation to Harris campaign offices in Arizona.

    The perp donated to both the Trump and Kari Lake campaings. Jeffrey Michael Kelly is an aersospace engineer, he had 120+ guns in his residence. He as charged for shooting windows out at the campaign offices and putting up provocative signs covered in razor blades with baggies of white powder attached which were marked with biohazard labels, seemingly to provoke an anthrax scare and to try and harm anyone who grabbed the signs.

    Yup, seems like attempted terrorism to me. Law enforcement concurred - 3 counts of terrorism:

    • Two counts of unlawful discharge,
    • Two counts of shooting at a non-residential structure,
    • Three counts of committing a terrorism act,
    • Three counts of criminal damage.

    Also, given his crimes will likely be found to be in relation to an election, upon conviction he will almost certainly lose his voting rights for life. He's also going to lose his ability to own guns - some of the things he had included machine guns and silencers.

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/tempe-breaking/2024/10/23/suspect-identified-tempe-democratic-party-office-shootings/75806849007/

    When people wonder why I think the shy voter this year is the Harris voter: sh*t like this is the reason why.

    During Kelly's initial appearance on Wednesday, a prosecutor from the Maricopa County Attorney's Office said Kelly was "preparing to commit an act of mass casualty." A court document said that Kelly's actions showed a pattern of escalation of his suspected terrorist activity.

    Additional counts are pending regarding the bags of an unknown white powder in Ahwatukee Foothills, a court document said.

    Kelly was arrested around 1:30 p.m. on Tuesday during a traffic stop. The Maricopa County Attorney's Office claimed there were numerous guns in his car, "potentially to do something." Prosecutors did not elaborate.

    I'm also very concerned MAGA extremists will ultimately be successful in carrying out one or more mass shootings within the next few weeks as a means to suppress voter turnout - or to stop the count. Thankfully a lot of people are getting their votes in already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,687 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I have this feeling that the actual result will differ massively from polling/betting this time around.

    I think if there is to be any surprise it will be that Harris looses by even more than expected.

    Just feels like everything is being gamed.

    When Harris entered the race I felt that the narrative in the media that this swung it over to the Dems was mostly fake news. It doesn't make sense that she would go down in the polls subsequently so I think she was never up in the polls in the first first place and very little has in fact changed since Biden was the candidate. If you were to go by the media when Hillary ran you'd think it was a foregone conclusion, but that was fake news as well. I'm saying fake news because I think the media were aware she was in trouble but didn't report it.

    I'll be shocked if she's elected. She's incredibly weak and Americans want a president with something about them like Clinton or Obama and she ain't nothing like them. She just doesn't have it, and I don't sense are real enthusiasms for her I don't care what the polls say. When the media say they are neck and neck that means she's behind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,580 ✭✭✭McFly85


    That’s exactly it, like much of the statements by Trump, it might sound legit for a half a second before you think about it.

    Even in here, almost every day for the last week, it’s the same story. Here’s a graph and an article showing Harris is in trouble. But it just doesn’t feel genuine - like nobody talks about what the graph might represent or why it means Harris is in trouble. It’s like a facade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,580 ✭✭✭McFly85


    But she clearly has something about her. She went from DA to Att. General to Senator to VP. It’s an incredibly strong career path in public service. You just don’t get to do that by being weak. It’s a career any politician would be proud of.

    Trump has nothing in comparison and has shown his weakness repeatedly during the campaign. He wouldn’t do a second debate, or 60 minutes, becomes insulting when challenged. And I’m certain most of the voting public recognise this.



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    If this happens we can expect to hear a lot of Alex Jones stuff about false flags and crisis actors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭combat14


    wae thinking the same thing all the hitler talk from harris side screams desperation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    How about Harris goes and works in burger king for 15 mins?


    Now she can say she’s worked in both unlike the felon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,952 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Yes it's embarrassing at this stage. Expect more hit pieces as we draw closer to election day.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But you guys have been claiming that every move has been desperation and a signal that the campaign was about to implode.

    Also not sure what hit pieces you expect at this stage. Trump has repeatedly demonstrated what kind of person he is. There isn't much more people can point out about him, his beliefs and his actions that will change their minds.

    Even if they found a video of him just rattling off a string of slurs and talking about how he loves hanging out with Epstien, it will barely move the needle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,849 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    The Irish media is so biased, specifically RTE, though not just them. There was a programme on last night, I can't remember what it's called, but remind me tomorrow and I'll find out. Tonight, there's a programme about Rupert Murdoch, and it's anti Republican party and anti Trump. Funny, the timing.

    I've no time for Murdoch, I don't trust anyone in the media. They're all trying to manipulate people. I think for myself, I remember my history classes, and the powerful influence of propaganda by the Nazi party during WW2 and how they manipulated the population of Germany.

    It's no different today, the media are all partisan and trying to do likewise. They're all trying to influence and manipulate people.

    We're barely more than a century, and still nowhere near out of the grip of British influence on this island, and now we have sold our soul to the new puppet masters, the EU. When I say we, I mean our politicians.

    Does the bias for Democrats all stem from the time when Kennedy took office? I don't know, I'm just questioning things. I respect and admire JFK, his family and positive ambassadorial role for Ireland. I respect all Democrat Presidents, I think Bush Jr on the Republican side was a clown, and guilty of invading Iraq under false pretences. Blair as his henchman too. There were no WMD's. They committed war crimes, but the West is automatically seen as the good guy, no matter what, and never answerable for their actions. Maybe that's largely down to propaganda as well.

    I've already stated before that neither candidate of this current US election are fit for office.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Saying General John Kelly is "Harris' side" is utterly laughable.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,030 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    What you've said here is that we (the Irish)are still under the control of the British, and also the EU, and also the media which is partisan and RTE are showing programmes about media influence which means that they're a part of it and we've allowed this to happen because of a bias towards a President who was assassinated 60+ yrs ago?

    There's a lot in that. Not much that is definitively factual mind.

    Yes, the media tries to sway public opinion. It has been that way since the very first publications because the publishing houses needed funding and the only people who could provide funding were the wealthy and so they wanted to ensure nothing was published that would undermine them.

    Hell, it even started before that with artists throughout Europe taking patronages ie being funded by these wealthy people to paint them in a flattering light.

    You could actually argue that over the last 20 years, the influence of the media is less and less because of the internet and the ability for people to hear from multiple different sources but of course confirmation bias is still a thing and so they're often still being influenced, without recognizing it. There are good media outlets, and individuals, but you need your eyes wide open to filter the content and identify those who are trustworthy.

    And of course, so with Trump, never before has so much of a Presidents thoughts, words and actions being broadcast live because Trump wanted it that way. He is responsible for all us of having opinions on us because he sought out as many of us as possible to tell us what he was thinking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    In general, I think MAGA is getting frustrated that there is no 'Hunter's laptop' to spring on Kamala Harris.



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    Or buttery males.

    So far it's just "she has an annoying laugh" or "she just seems unlikeable for reasons I can't elaborate on".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    trumps grandparents were from Germany. The Drumpfs. He’s just yearning for the old sod.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭SpoonyMcSpoon


    A lot of Irish are pathetic when it comes to confrontation and also hypocrisy is a characteristic I associate with Irish people that is evident in how they interact with Americans. A lot of the older American Irish tourists that come to Ireland and get brown nosed by the locals are staunch Republicans. Irish people try to excuse their hypocrisy by claiming that they are just happy to take their money but it is not the 1980s anymore and it is okay to call these people out. The worst offenders are of course the government who roll the red carpet out for the likes of Trump or don’t say anything about Israel to Biden and then at the same time where it is safe at home they speak against them/their policies. This is why it is only the most closed and ignorant Irish minds that follow foreign politics by reading the likes of RTE.



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