Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Tulsi the Russian propagandist? Back in the Reagan era she’d be ostracised. Look at Julia Davis tweets about Russia TV, they love Tulsi over there as well as Trump, Musk etc

I'm not saying it is the reason, but a man who cant trust a fart should definitely be at least wearing gloves and a hair net when cooking

Bear with me, I'm not trolling, but I think it might have actually been better for America as a whole if Trump won in 2020. Ok, probably not great for the Ukraine or Gaza but he wouldn't have been in court etc and would probably have just spent the last four years golfing and doing rallies. There was no mention of Project 2025 back in 2020, he'd probably just have half-assed his way through everything and concentrated on the grift. But, now, it's just "Elect me because prison & bankruptcy." He's riled up enough people that it might actually happen. But hey, if the American people vote him back in, they deserve it. They should look forward to the possibility of President Vance somewhere in 2026 to make the country go full Gilead.

So, it's bad if Harris/Biden do whatever re: Gaza, something you've banged on and on about in the Hamas/Israel-are-all-Nazis thread, but you'd be o.k. if Trump won in 2020…. Seems a bit contradictory.

As for Project 2025, do you think the Federalist Society would've sat on their hands for the last 4 years?

Biden being commander in chief showed us all quite clearly that the US President is just a puppet. The fact he lingered on for so long shows how persuasive the handlers can be. The whole election is a sham and a distraction for the electorate from the corporate influences which are raiding the honey pot for themselves. For instance, what the Wall Street megabanks get away with which includes owning the New York Fed which effectively controls the US economy is reprehensible. The United States because of its anti-democratic set-up where corporates and wealthy private individuals control politicians is always going to be bad for global peace and the global economy. It doesn’t matter if it is Trump or Biden or Obama or a shoe for president; the corporations run the show and profit trumps all.

I think if we are going to Marty McFly it, we really need to go back to 2016 after the election.

The Democrats should have spent those 3 years combing the party for someone for an 8 year stint.

Slim pickings in both parties but I thought Cory Booker would have been someone for the party to row in behind, but he didn't gain any traction.

Absolutely - it once again highlights that a) Trump is an extreme candidate and b) is globally unpopular outside his core

Demonstrating that all these attempts to draw equivalence between himself and his opponent (whoever they are) is beyond tenuous. Locally we saw the same type of mental gymnastics in action in e.g. the Putin appreciation thread. Nitpicking over Navalny by the "I don't support Putin but" Putin supporters whilst deliberately deflecting from the 800lb gorilla in the room.

Ye are vastly underestimated the job Biden did here. He stopped Trump in his gallop, which was no mean task considering the amount of votes trump got.

It's all very well downplaying that now, but it's clear to me at least Biden was exactly what we needed then. Career politician, scandal free, familiar face, 8 years experience, likeable too. The exact opposite of Trump, and he couldn't lay a glove on Biden either.

You can argue since then they should have cultivated a replacement, but I won't agree that Biden wasn't exactly what we needed in 2020.

60 is young compared to the other guy.

The average age of a POTUS has been 55. 60 is grand.

Granted some of great POTUSs on the younger side

https://potus.com/presidential-facts/age-at-inauguration/

I have this feeling that the actual result will differ massively from polling/betting this time around.

Just feels like everything is being gamed. Betting markets have been flooded with high value bets and polymarket has changed what is being voted on, polling is being reported on far more regularly than they’re actually getting new data, some sources are highly dubious, polls are being averaged out etc.

The whole thing seems to be suggesting that it’s an incredibly close race or indeed that Harris campaign has run out of steam. But it doesn’t seem to make any sense! Voters are incredibly engaged as early voting has shown, and Harris has shown herself to be a solid candidate. The only serious loss in votes I see is from Muslims/arabs who hold her responsible for the crisis in Gaza which is understandable. But there’s millions and millions of people who cannot stand trump, there are senior republicans and members of his old staff who don’t think he should be president again.

I honestly can’t see anything other than a win for Harris. But I feel the relentless misrepresentation of details, or comparing historical data with current will end up with Trump voters feeling aggrieved at the very least - and Trump has form for stoking the fires of his supporters anger if it suits him. Will be a gripping few weeks.

I disagree on this actually.

I genuinely believe only Biden could have beaten Trump.

There was so much uncertainty in 2020 about what the next few years would have brought, Any young Dem candidate would have come with accusations that they didn't know what to do.

Biden brought 'regularity and a connection to the feel good factor that largely existed amongst borderline voters for the Obama administration. Also, he was able to talk down to Trump in a way very few could.

And he still only scraped over the line.

To be fair, I doubt they're in favour of any kind of terrorism, even if just from a political standpoint. More likely they're posting this as a way to justify the unceremonious sacking of civil servants if Trump gets back in and reinstates Schedule F.

you’re far too charitable.

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