Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

There would be an element of schadenfreude watching people who voted for Trump get shafted, but sadly the baleful consequences would impact too many innocents.

I think if he has one on then he will have the other… he has repeatedly turned down Trump as a guest

Re polls, a few things to consider.

MAGA have a vested interest in gathering positive polling data. The reasons are twofold.

Firstly, they want to project a position of strength. Secondly, the more positive the data, the more it will enable them to claim fraud.

Conversely, the Dems favour weaker polling data, so it drives turnout.

A leader!?!?!?!

You can completely delusional.

The only thing he will lead is his own people into WW3.

Business and politics? get up the yard. He doesn't know a thing about either of them.

Saw a great one earlier, not mine so I cant take credit.

"Trump is the Halloween pumpkin. Orange on the outside, hollow on the inside, thrown out with the trash in November."

Nah if America decides to ride the Trump train again they should expect no sympathy for the consequences. They know what they are signing up to this time so they can enjoy it.

Giuliani ordered to give over his $6M penthouse to the Georgia election workers he defamed in 2020, Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss.

Hopefully that's a chilling lesson to the MAGA election workers who have embedded themselves in the process this cycle, and to Trump's current lawyers.

I mentioned here a couple of weeks back how I listen to and enjoy a podcast from Anthony Scaramucci and Katty Kay called The Rest is Politics US.

The produced 4 episodes relating to 2016 called 'How Trump won the White House'. Given how Scaramucci was involved on the Trump campaign at the time, he gives a lot of insight about events and personalities behind the scenes and talks about Trump himself.

I listened to episode 3 at the weekend and it struck me how much fell in his favour in the final run in to the election. There was the access Hollywood tape that was thought to have harmed him, but turned out it didn't. But Hillary at a lot of things that ebbed away at her chances. The Benghazi senate hearings the year before the election, her low favorability at the outset even, her not campaigning in key states, the furore over her emails, her basket of deplorables comment, her fainting at the 9/11 memorial and in the final days before the election James Comey announcing the FBI was reopening the investigation in to her emails.

All of these were massive momentum shifts in Trumps favour. In 2020, it was an election fought very significantly on the public mood around Covid and to a lesser degree on the BLM protests. This was evident in the increase in turnout on that election. There was the Hunter Biden laptop BS but I don't know did that actually sway many people because of the public mood around Covid.

This time, so far, Harris has had nothing like the knock backs that Hillary suffered and Trump by comparison has appeared jaded, old, and much less focused than he was in the past. If Trump wins this, it's going to say so much about how the American electorate is simultaneously disconnected from and entrenched with the political conversation.

Maybe it’s a tipping point of some kind within American culture - “something” is annoying a lot of Americans - I’ve no idea what and certainly very few posters here have given any indication either - and I haven’t read any article online that can explain it .

In the meantime, Donald Trump serves chips and everyone gets worked up over it - it’s bizzare.

Yes, it reminds me of A Civil Action. Don't watch A Civil Action unless you like depression.

It will dominate the news cycle over the weekend. I wonder if Kamala will roll out Liz Cheney again as the antidote.

Harris didn't roll out Cheney. Cheney came out for Harris because she has seen the evidence of the threat that Trump is to democracy.

Unlike with Trump, who has openly acknowledged that he will repay Elon for his support, Harris has offered nothing to the likes of Cheney.

Trump is only going on Rogan because he knows he can rattle off his usual nonsense without being called out on any of it.

Wouldn't a real leader be looking to talk to those that don't agree with him rather than always running away?

South Carolina crushed its previous 1st day early voting record.

The previous record was 2022, about 70,100 people voted on the 1st day.

Yesterday I and about 125,900 others voted.

Hey, it's not a very populated state.

Anyway also, early voting in Texas is way up this year.

North Carolina started early voting last week and they're over 1 million people who have voted in person.

I often listen to Joe Rogan and I certainly wouldn't be inclined to support Trump in any way. He has a pretty diverse range of guests on. He has some rubbish political takes and seems easily influenced, though, but this is why it would be good for Harris to appear and challenge some questions or points he raises if he wanted to dig in. Like, it would be interesting to her response to this claim he made when interviewing Shane Smith about the Democrats wanting No ID voting in order to allow illegal immigrants to vote for them.

Who would this favour?