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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭Hoop66




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,048 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Trump has never offended me personally. But, I can see why a sexual assault should be seen as a negative. I can see why a liar should not be trusted. I can see why a man who claims people are eating dogs based on something he saw on TV shouldn't be treated seriously. I can see why a man who admitted he only had a concept of a plan on healthcare shouldn't be taken seriously (given it was his main policy 9 years ago).

    I can see why a man who has simply blacked out his terrible performance on COVID-19 should be treated with the highest level of suspicion when he says he cares about people. I can see why a man when he was made aware that Russia was perhaps paying bounties for US soldiers to be killed in Afghanistan simply waved it away.

    I can see why a man who has so little faith in democracy shouldn't be in charge of that democracy. I can see why a man who sat idly by while a mob attempted to lynch his VP should be treated with the highest suspicion.

    And despite all of this you are a Trump supporter. Why?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm not sure why you have issues with the double standards thing. You've been reading the thread. it's impossible to miss unless you've deliberately ignoring things.

    Have people accused Harris of being "fake" for flimsy reasons?

    Do you agree that Trump's stunt is "fake"?

    If we can't agree on these basic and evident premises, then I don't think you're willing to see the obvious double standards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,299 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Harris got unanimous democrat backing literally overnight with money pouring in- I thought that was a pretty good sign of things to come at the time - I didn’t think she was a great candidate but I always thought even a “Harris” could have beaten a Trump this time around - hence the surprise on just how well Trump is doing - I’m thinking “change for change sake” is probably voters reasons and sometimes them the breaks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    The man is a leader, I don’t think this is disputable, ok he’s a few traits that are not positive, but he is a proven leader in business and politics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,572 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Is he? Domestically he seems to have only managed to divide the public. Leadership as a POTUS should be uniting the public, he does the opposite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,299 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Eh I’ve already pointed out I couldn’t care less about “double standards” no less double Big Macs - I’ve absolutely no “issues” with anything thanks and I’m certainly not going to take on your issues or have them imposed on me - you obviously have issues with these things - fine, I hope you find solace and comfort some day


    But please don’t continue to badger me with this stuff - I’m really not interested



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Hitler was also a confirmed leader, so was Charles Manson…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭ronjo


    He has been bankrupt numerous times…… He would be richer if he invested the money Daddy gave him in market funds. how is he a proven leader in business?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭circadian


    You do realise that Trump would be terrible for crypto assets and would probably facilitate a huge, maybe the bigliest rug pull with his shitcoin.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,845 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    We've spent time on Trump moving containers of chips in and out of cooking oil in a McDonalds for a photo opportunity arranged by his campaign and missing the other point made by him there. He WAS NOT an employee of the franchise owner nor of McDonalds while there despite wearing McDonalds clothing. He may even have infringed the law while pretending to be working there. He is a person running for public office trying to show he worked in a McDonalds to upstage his opponent, another example of him as the great TV pretender.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I think it's incredibly disputable. The man has had more business failures than I've had hot dinners.

    Its a proven fact that if he had left his inheritance alone and just invested it in the stock market, he'd have more money.

    The only reason he's seen as a leader is the same reason a mafia Don is seen as a leader. Through fear.

    That is not the type of leader a President should be, in my humble.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But he's not.

    Many of his former aides and allies in the White House have denounced him and declared their support for Harris. In response Trump has accused these people of being "the wrong people" he hired because he was naive who then caused all of the negative things in his presidency.

    That is not something a good leader would do.

    We also saw that during Jan 6th, rather than do anything about his supporters storming the capital, he hid for a few hours and refused to call them off. Again, not leadership.

    Nor is he a leader in business given the amount of bankruptcies, failed businesses and fraud convictions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,572 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    There's an irony in criticizing maturity when you frequently praise Trump's immature jabs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,638 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    I don't think its just the bankruptcies that prove he's a rotten business leader. It's the employees he shafts that can't wait to tell all - both in business, and in politics. He's just a lame comedian and lousy actor who got lucky with a TV show and was a useful idiot for the Federalist Society et al to use as a tool to get their agenda into government, for the personal profit of the FedSoc leaders.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ok, as I said, you're just refusing to acknowledge the double standard that's present. You don't want to be convinced because that might undermine your position.

    That's fine. However, it's an issue others wish to discuss because it highlights the hypocrisy in Trump and his supporters.

    Ignoring it doesn't make it stop existing. Perhaps you shouldn't badger people because they don't wish to ignore it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,845 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Do you think anyone could have an objective impartial view of Donald J Trump?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,048 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Really. A leader? What has he led people to do exactly? Did he lead when Covid happened? What about facing up to the changing nature of the US in the world and the changes the US would have to make?

    Did he take the lead on the growing issue of police violence against minorities? What about leadership on school shootings?

    Or how about the leadership he has shown on the abortion issue? Care to elaborate on how he has moved that along rather than simply wash his hands of it and say it has nothing to do with him?

    As for business leadership. Well, he runs his own business, where the top staff are all his family. He has led many failed businesses, had multiple crimes found against him and his company and has a history of ripping people off.

    He has a track record of disowning those who previously worked for him but no longer appear useful. Do you think a leader hides in his office while his VP is being hunted down to be lynched?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,299 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    but isn’t most of electioneering smoke and mirrors anyway? Harris has taken a careful approach throughout this election and has mainly stuck to the script, because she knows if she’s left to her own devices, she may not come across quite as good as the image she’s nurtured over the past 3 months - politicians will do what politicians will do to get elected is all I see here.
    Whether posing working in McDonalds will influence the primary target audience in the swing states is yet to be determined- but it might.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    The whole McDonalds thing is simply trump in a nutshell, Harris mentioning she worked in McDonald's is an attack on his valor, how dare she say whe worked in his favourite place.

    His followers of course will want proof she worked there, as if it is important.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    not only that but if you say anything critical of Harris your presumed to be sitting at home with a MAGA hat on ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Beach resort my eye but your almost on track ,

    The Suez canal makes between 7 to 9 billion a year but is controlled by Egypt , So you can see why the The Ben Gurion canal project would be top of Israel's plans if they get full control of Palestine.

    They could they be promising The US piece of the pie ? Who knows,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,299 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    How did you know??? Do you have a hidden camera in my house? 😀



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This accusation keeps getting thrown around, but whenever it's challenged the accuser seems to vanish.

    This does not happen. Plenty of people have said lots of critical things about Harris.

    But when people come up with silly nitpicks about Harris or out and out lies about her. And then refuse to address any of the points made against it, and refuses to address all of the examples of the complaint actually applying to Trump, and then refuse to be direct about their beliefs about their beliefs…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭ronjo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,299 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    so a criticism of Harris is generally classed as “a silly nit pic.”

    Ok answer me this then- is Harris’ biggest “nit pic” that she didn’t properly distance herself from Bidens policies - because that may well be one of the key criticisms post election - “change for change sake” seems to be a key theme that I’ve seen over the last 4 weeks - especially in the ethnic vote which traditionally is Democrat



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Your post shows that it does happen. You've literally said "refuse to address all of the examples of the complaint actually applying to Trump " , You can't make this up .

    So in your own words you said if you can't have a complaint about Harris without having to answer to the "But Trump" rebuttal ,

    Its insane , your that focused on the "MAGA cult" you don't realise your in your own cult ,

    You can't fathom how people can have issues with both parties,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Should she have though? Inflation is the lowest it's been in years, gas is now under $3 a gallon and the Dow is riding high for those who play the market

    If there's anything she has failed on, she failed to show what Biden's policies have done for the country. The country was about to dip economically in Feb 2020, and Trump was saved by covid. He could blame all his failures on that.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Where did I say that every criticism of Harris is a nit pick? I have said many many times that there are many things to criticise her for.

    Where did I say that specific criticism was a nitpick?

    You just announced that you will not address my previous point, but you demand I answer your question?



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Misrepresentation and hypocrisy.

    Firstly, I point out how Trump supporters first ignore and refuse to address all of the points that counter the nitpick. And I say that they also ignore how the nitpick usually applies to Trump, but actually and even more so.

    So it is not in my own words.

    Also, you are now accusing me of being a cult member. You are accusing me of a being a Harris supporter because I criticise Trump.

    I think the strongest terms I used in support of Harris are things like "fine" and "alright". Please quote otherwise.



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