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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Had the self same sentiment from my Palestinian neighbour. Go figure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,314 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    so to be clear you’re saying if I don’t call Trump names every second post and criticise him that I’ve no business being here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭Juran


    His son in law Jared Cushner let it slip.in an interview a number of years ago that Israel's plan is to turn Gaza into the most desirable beach resorts in the muddle east, like another Miami or Dubai, with beach front condo's, etc.

    Now to do that, we all know the first step is to clear the place, remove the Gaza residents (to god knows where). Ch4 news reporter last night was asking the Israeli security minister was her plan to clear Gaza compketely, and she said yes 'we have to remove everyone from gaza to protect us from terrorists'.

    If Trump gets back in, like the last time, he will back Israel to clear gaza ... obviouly there will be a reward in it for him and his family. Bets on a few Trump Towers o being built along the Gaza beachfront in 10 years time ??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭ronjo


    I get that people are talking about it but maybe I have a stupidly high opinion of average American.

    Are they that dumb that this would in anyway move the needle? It was funny but obviously massively forced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    This is an anti Trump thread, you just have to accept that, let them at it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭ronjo


    I reckon if you took a % of pro Trump people on this thread compared to pro Trump people in Ireland you would have the percentage here is way higher.

    I know one Irish person in real life who loves him and not one other person who remotely likes him. Its absolutely to be expected that more people here are anti Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    I’m pretty sure Trump is waking up in the mornings and wondering how he pi$$ people off today, I’m not American and cannot vote, but if I was and I could then I would be voting for the Donald, twice if I could.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Let them at what?

    Voicing their opinion in the same way you and others are able to do?

    What is up with all the whinging in here the last couple of days because so many posters have so much evidence of how incapable and unsuitable he is. Defend him, if you want to, or leave if you want to, but complaining like this just comes across as childish to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,435 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    To be clear are you saying people who are critical of Trump have no business being here?
    Did you mean to imply that, I don't think you did, but it seems to be on a par with your interpretation of what I wrote in terms of a response.

    Words not said. I suggest you go back and re-read what was actually written, because I have absolutely no idea how you got from: "I don't think that's a good reason to give a free pass here either to Trump's conduct or the misrepresentations made in defence of it."
    to: "if I don’t call Trump names every second post and criticise him that I’ve no business being here."

    Because you wrote: "it’s not my country and apparently a hell of of lot of its citizens don’t care what he does… They’ll get the president they deserve is my view at this stage."

    To me, that begs the question why post here at all on an Irish forum, as someone without a vote in the election. If all you want to do is keep up to date with the polls, news and eventually results etc, there are better places for it. Because it seems to surprise you that there are discussions here of Trump's conduct, and challenges made to defences \ excuses \ commendation of it.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    It's a bit like the Israel-Gaza thread. The minority position in this country is over-represented because of several posters who post a lot.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    Take a step back and attempt to read through this thread impartially, do you think you could achieve this? If so I’d be very interested in what you see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,314 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I couldn’t agree more with you - but isn’t that the juxtaposition of this whole election? Trump, with all of his failings, confirmed alleged and otherwise, up against a straight as a die former prosecutor - I mean you wouldn’t have put money on Trump 4 months ago when Harris was announced - at least I wouldn’t have.

    My only way of explaining it is Red Trumps Blue in this election - the Americans have spoken - loudly at that.

    I’ve no idea what life was like under Biden - I don’t know what “the man in the street” thought of Biden say April of this year- but if I was to criticise Harris , which is actually hard enough thing to do -one thing Harris clearly didn’t do, is remove herself from the shadow of Biden - so IF, and it’s still an “if”- Trump is successful, maybe Americans felt they didn’t have a clear alternative to their current president and wanted a lot more radical change than what Harris is offering?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    This is an active election campaign, there are very very few people who are interested enough to want to listen to the conversation but disinterested enough that they are entirely impartial.

    And as this is the CA/IMHO forum, it is acceptable to more readily express personal opinions, but if you are looking for conversations on the topic, but not with this level of personal views expressed, the conversation on the same topic in the Political forum may be more to your taste.

    But bear in mind, even there, given that Trump is what he is, you will still see personal views as part of the conversation.

    P.S. I would add, Donald J Trump himself plays some degree of responsibility for the change in tone in political conversations in the last ten years or so. It's another reason why he is not fit for office ;)



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why do you expect Irish people to be Trump supporters ?

    What proportion of the Irish population are Trump supporters ?

    Do you think this thread is a fair representation of the Irish population ?

    It seems to me that most of the Trump supporters here are actually foreign trolls making this thread unrepresentive of the true level of dislike for Trump in Ireland.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But it's not genius. It was silly and pointless. It's a little strange for you to be arguing that it's genius.

    And the double standard is evident. Harris has been constantly been accused of being fake for the flimsiest nonsense.

    But then we have Trump doing a very obviously fake stunt and we have people arguing it was real and genuine, and also genius.

    Why accuse Harris of being fake, but then also lap up Trumps stunt unless a double standard is being applied.

    But again, if were were talking about anything else, I'm sure you'd also be tutting at us for doing so.

    What issues should we be discussing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,314 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “To be clear are you saying people who are critical of Trump have no business being here?”


    1. excuse me but I never said that

    2. The rest of your post is just attacking me on the basis of a “yes” response to the above question - which I clearly did not state - so I’m not engaging in this bad faith argument - thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,314 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “Why accuse Harris of being fake,”

    Do please point out where I have said that. Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,435 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Nope, excuse me - but I never said "so to be clear you’re saying if I don’t call Trump names every second post and criticise him that I’ve no business being here?"

    We're done here.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,439 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I'm sorry, but a Trump supporter asking someone to read the thread "impartially"? Are you having a laugh?

    There's no way you would support Trump if you had the ability to compare his and Harris' behaviour and demeanour over the last 4 weeks and still believe he'll make a better President.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,048 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Why would you vote for him? His negatives have been pointed out on this thread multiple times. So much that you think the thread is anti-Trump.

    But despite all of that you would vote for him. Why?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Really? I wouldn't have put money on either when Harris was announced.

    There was no logical reason for the UK to enact trade sanctions on itself or to vote Trump (nevermind Hillary, the entire Republican party got knocked out). People vote with emotions not logic. Logic is just used to justify their vote after the fact.

    People want others to blame. Trump gives them that.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Point out where I say that you had said that.

    I was asking this rhetorically for the people who were accusing her of being fake.

    Why do you believe that people do that, but then also lap up Trump's stunt if they aren't applying a double standard.

    Or do you agree that there is a double standard being applied?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    I don’t expect anyone to be a Trump supporter, not sure if any of my posts have ever indicated this.

    There’s a bigger proportion of Irish trump supporters than there is Irish boards posters, just my experience of the outside world.

    Not sure how you conclude trump supporters are foreign trolls, usually on boards a thread takes a certain direction, take this one for example, basically an anti trump thread, this does not mean that anyone who contradicts the theme or direction of the thread is a troll, it just means they have an opinion that goes against the majority.

    Donald Trump is a highly decisive character, he offends a lot of people, and when people get offended they need an outlet to vent, this is why the thread has become anti Trump thread as those who need to vent are naturally the loudest, but don’t mistake that for Trump having no supporters in Ireland, they just spend more of their time laughing than venting.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But why though?

    Just cause it would annoy people?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,439 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Interesting piece here

    (Harris holds 2:1 lead in early voting – as poll goers cite abortion as a main issue

    Early voters tend to favor the Democratic candidate, and those waiting until Election Day will tend to favor her Republican opponent, according to a recent poll):

    Especially with this nugget at the end:

    It's difficult to draw too many conclusions about the state of the overall election from early voting, especially because early voting tends to skew toward older voters. According to Election Lab, in the nine states that report the age of early voters, 49 percent were over the age of 65, and only 16 percent were under 40-years-old, New York Magazine reports.

    If Trump and Republicans had the traditional bigger hold over the older persons, I would have thought the early vote would be a lot tighter than the 2:1 they're estimating at the moment. This is looking especially good for Harris.

    /Edited in case it's misconstrued as a "linkdump"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭ronjo


    There’s a bigger proportion of Irish trump supporters than there is Irish boards posters, just my experience of the outside world.

    I could not disagree with this statement in bold more…. I am early 50s and I would say 1 out of approx 25 people I know there opinions on like him. Vast majority absolutely cant stand him



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    49 percent were over the age of 65, and only 16 percent were under 40-years-old

    How much different is that to the actual demographics of those States though?

    Broadly speaking , higher turnout is good for Democrats and so far turn-out is very strong indeed.

    If that is continued through actual polling day , then that is a positive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    This, coupled with the earlier post about a strong percentage of women voters, gives me a little hope. The 60+ cohort of women I know in the US are all voting Harris, because of abortion. Several will vote GOP downticket, unfortunately, but POTUS is the critical job.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,314 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    well when one minute you’re replying to me and speaking directly to me and in the same reply stating what I quoted above , it’s not easy as a poster to determine what’s directed at me and what isn’t - it’s simple miscommunication .

    I’ve no idea why people say she’s fake- I’ve never said she was - I’ve never thought about her that way- in fact, considering she’s more a prosecutor than a politician , she’s probably more likely to be genuine .

    But from an election perspective, such terms and labels are bandied on both sides - it’s par of the course in an election.

    I don’t know where this “double standards” thing comes from -sorry I just don’t understand it.

    Republicans appear to be at least tying in this election if not leading- if I were to criticise Harris, I’d be doing so in terms of what I believe she should or shouldn’t do, in order to beat Trump - I’ve provided a suggestion above- to distinguish herself more from Biden - but it’s probably too late for that.

    As to why others criticise Harris, I’ve no idea -



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