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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭ginger22


    ICMSA say Commission preparing ‘Compo-Bribe’ to overcome French resistance to Mercosur Agreement

     

    The President of ICMSA has said that the reports that the EU is preparing to ‘compensate’ French farmers in return for the French Government dropping its opposition to the Mercosur Agreement is profoundly worrying and actually represents an admission on the part of the Commission and its negotiators that the Agreement would specifically undermine the EU’s indigenous farming sector.  Speaking in response to reports on the highly regarded Politico website that the compensation package had already been raised with French officials, ICMSA President Denis Drennan said that the so-called ‘compensation package’ actually served as a bribe – and was intended to serve in that respect.

     

    “It’s beyond disappointing that we have Commission officials dressing up what is plainly a bribe to the farmers of a certain Member State as a so-called ‘compensation package’. It’s nothing of the sort and everyone has to remember that long after the ‘sugar rush’ of this compensation package has been spent, what’s left of the EU’s indigenous farming community will be buried under cheap and environmentally destructive imports coming from these Mercosur South American States. This is a classic tactical ruse on the part of the EU Commission: take their own EU farmers to the brink of ruin with over-regulation and low margins, then offer them a temporary ‘fill-up’ through a one-off compensation package, pressurise them to take that financial aid while simultaneously negotiating with an external trading bloc to actually undermine your own farmers who are cowed into silence by having accepted the compo-bribe. The Commission is then able to hand access to the Mercosur markets to the EU Tech, Pharma and Financial sectors and get cheap food produced to lower standards for its consumers. It’s ‘win-win’ for them and ‘lose-lose’ for the EU farmers and anyone who wants to see the rainforests protected from the kind of insane clearances that South American farming is predicated on”, said Mr. Drennan.   

     

    Mr. Drennan said that the single biggest disappointment in the debate around Mercosur was not the craven attitude of the Commission – farmers, he said, expected no more from that institution. What was more disappointing was the ‘deafening silence’ from our environmental lobby who seemed more fixated by whether an acre in Tipperary could support one or one-and-a-half cows then they were by the looming threat to the last hope for global carbon capture.

     

    “Where are all the media commentators and ‘activists’ who are never off our airwaves objecting to a new slurry tank at the other end of the country? If Mercosur goes through – or is bribed through as these reports seem to indicate – then South American beef production will rise to meet that EU demand and that production will be at the expense of their forests and global climate stability, we know this because that is precisely the way that existing South American beef production has developed. The Irish Government must indicate that – even if the French ‘cover’ is withdrawn – that Ireland will absolutely not reduce its opposition to an agreement that is without any environmental merit at all and will signal the end of indigenous EU beef production probably forever”, he concluded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,174 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    More on this here - https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-plans-cash-french-resistance-mercosur-deal-trade/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,046 ✭✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Not to forget that the politicians pushing Mercosur in Brussels come from the EPP(FG is in there) and far right parties that were supposed to be the farmers best pals during the tractor protests last year and are very much in bed with IFA, Copa Cogeca etc, and other Big Ag reps across the EU

    PS: Elements of the intensive livestock here and in other parts of the EU aren't doing themselves any favors either since the source of much of their Soya feed is coming from areas that are being hammered by deforestation across several South American countries, plus uncontrolled use of EU banned pesticides in its cultivation has been devastating for these environments too - https://eu.boell.org/en/PesticideAtlas-Brazil



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,096 ✭✭✭visatorro


    17.8

    5.02 f

    4.28 prot

    5kg meal. No silage yet. All the autumn girls dried off. Have cubicles to fix and properly start silage and prob in at night. Will keep grazing into November if weather allows.

    Autumn group av 540 kg ms. Down from previous year. And more meal of course. Just had more problem cows that didn't preform and are dry too long now aswell. Hopefully will do better this time around. Keeping an eye out for a few fresh calved yokes. Not liking the prices thou!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,353 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Super solids, still out here. Autumn calvers flying it. Some milking over 50l on grass and 4kg nuts. Pleasure milking atm



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,096 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Iv only ever had 2 do over 50 litres. One gone and the other incalf to the Hereford bull! If she has a heifer she'd be a great crossbreed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭older by the day




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭ted_182


    Would you have much problems with spring calvers coming to the robot this time of year? I find we are really driving cows around the place these days, naturally they're going to be lazy as they get heavier in calf. I was just wondering if we had a robot how would they come in at all 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,096 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Hopefully that uploads. Still doing 2 milkings. Don't have to move any cows out of paddocks. Iv one lane basically disintegrated at furthest couple of paddocks this year. They won't move themselves on this when the weather gets **** .I had to leave a couple of paddocks. If it gets drier I'll get to walk cows along a ditch the other side.

    When they start on silage it'll get abit more awkward. I'll probably only do one grazing and everything else in the shed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭alps


    No silver bullet, but no change in plan either.

    We have proof that what they have been doing, doesn't work.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭Arm Wax


    i would have thought that cows at that level if not fed would be under a lot of pressure and as already said keep a eye on them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,353 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    They'll be going in in a day or two. Will up the fresh ones until then



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭daiymann 5


    The only thing our politicans abd farm orgs want is an extension of derogation mainly to help big farmers look at the slurry extension .It is cleatly alowed to extend in exceptional nutrient uptake which was this year but it wasnt availed of and ifa didnt even ask.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,641 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Inwest cork context derogation is more about small farms than big farms.of ten the original starting block may have 50 acres or less



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭yewdairy


    Absolutely no need for a slurry extension this year. If tanks were full at the end of September this year, you shouldn't be allowed farm.

    Losses from slurry increase hugely as growth drops off. Some farms need protecting from themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    agree on lot of that but ground is in savage order and savage growth last few weeks ….no harm in spreading slurry during those few weeks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,096 ✭✭✭visatorro


    I agree. Unfortunately give paddy an inch and he'll take a mile. Few lads will drag us all down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭daiymann 5


    What about the losses in january when its been poured out legally bad week of rain later i know where it ends up.Grass didnt grow here till may this year and its still growing now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    The slurry I spread in Jan I got a serious response from, it’s the same every year and I’m Always sorry I didn’t spread more



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,641 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Located in the very bottom of the country in the deep south right by.the sea so rarely get frost in a year and so grass grows right through the winter yet we have to abide by rules designed for the whole country which means we lose out on potenial growth during the winter because of it as soil rarely drops below 6 degrees.any slurry spread durong the winter always gives a good reponse around here provided its spread when conditions are right.on the other hand there can huge risk factor in slurry being spread injanuary after the 12 th as the whole country go out together and if we get the wrong conditions at that time it could be disastrous. To be honest i dont think there is enough storage on farms but i also think slurry spread during the winter may not do any harm provided conditions are right.activitys like firing slurry over ditchs or using umbilical slurry spreading because the ground is saturated are not right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    That sounds like a typical response from a know all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,353 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Some parts of the country have had a terrible year weather wise. We're lucky here all tanks are empty. There are those areas were ground conditions have been terrible most of 2024. Those lucky enough to have dry land will never know what it's like to have to deal with saturated land. It's not that you didn't spread, you can't spread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,954 ✭✭✭stanflt


    my neighbour was away for a few days in Leitrim last week- he couldn’t get over how wet it was there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,353 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Up until early May, we couldn't travel the land on our home farm. Not even with a jeep. No fertiliser went out until then. We brought slurry to our outfarm. Land takes a while to recover. How many rain warnings did we hear all year for kerry and cork?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    One of the biggest dairy men in Cork is packing up and putting the land into solar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Some good points there KG.
    However, just because the grass is growing doesn’t mean that it’s OK to spread slurry. Yes it indicates that there’s some uptake on nutrients..but that’s impossible to quantify, especially on a regional/national level. I’m aware that our N derogation is founded on the assumption that grass never stops growing, but a few kg/ha of grass growth doesn’t always justify the ‘right’ to spread. That’s essentially, imho, the nub of the issue. Teagasc et al have taken a position on this being the foundation of N derogation. However Europe sees results, not justifications. Unfortunately the results and the justifications don’t add up in reality.

    A fortnight ago there were 4 well established Irish contractors (silage and slurry specialists) here on a bit of a busman’s holiday. They went to the heart of dairy country and followed a French contractor for a few days.
    I asked what they learned… we’re nowhere near the same regulations!..there’s only 70 days a year where you can spread slurry!..constant paperwork!..etc etc, were the comments. Thing is, with all those regulations the watercourses are still in very poor shape.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Just goes to show the majority of water pollution is from urban/domestic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭Gman1987


    I heard that during the week. Must have close to 1000 cows there. I think they supply Dairygold so it will be a big loss if it goes ahead. Probably a few years away with planning etc.



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