Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

Tonynewholland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122732045#Comment_122732045

His yard is probably one of the finest in the country for cows. Hard to know with planning it could be a few months or years or not at all

GrasstoMilk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731868#Comment_122731868

Daly brothers one of them ?

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731807#Comment_122731807

No offence to Leitrim people ....but ti's always wet down there 😕

green daries

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green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731811#Comment_122731811

We Couldn't get slurry on most of the silage ground for first time in my life. Got some with the pipe system but not it all was too wet then for three weeks after to spread the silage fertiliser. Cows went out 12 of April during the day . We have a dry farm enough for our area lot of lads round here are ready to pack it in I'd say they will look to forestry as they wouldn't want anyone else farming it.

green daries

Re the slurry ban I'd agree with you dawg it's painful and all that but by stopping me spreading in early autumn I does give a good chance for utilisation of slurry nutrients and the remainder of the chemical fert application. Also the application of lime and maintaining the correct ph etc means that socks will hold nutrients much better and capture them far quicker also

K.G.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731868#Comment_122731868

I dont see how that system will actually

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731868#Comment_122731868

Yeah more paperwork thats always going to help.

visatorro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731515#Comment_122731515

If it's dry when ban is lifted I empty tanks and spread everything I can. The place does be green and ready to go when heat comes. I don't do with early N on paddocks. Seen it happen a few times that people were saving slurry to follow cows in April. Then weather goes to **** in April, cows in and tanks full.

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122722622#Comment_122722622

Was on purpose the above I'd say, their on a go slow paying out compensation,

atlantic mist

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731868#Comment_122731868

just because teagasc/department of ag have decided on what closing dates they like to use doesnt make it applicable to every farm, its a sweeping generalisation and has the risk of causing as many problems as its trying to fix as the seasons/months change each year

im in an area where we can spread 250kg/n currently, water quality is tested at local beech, results are up on a board for public to see, (epa and inland fisheries also take random samples)

id be guilty of spread outside of stupid dates when ground is suitable (ive plenty of storage, spread 140/n), my dero neighbor fert went out after closing dates) got serious response,we farm the land with 100's of years experience and there is no issue with with 250n (if land suitable) or spreading slurry when conditions allow, we have no residential/industry/roads feeding into streams/river….it makes such a difference….my water quality is lower for N than any bottled water in the shops in ireland….im listening to people telling me thats incorrect but the area data speaks for itself….we never have and never will follow teagasc advice/guidelines

teagasc advice from local advisor down here was to load land with pig slurry in year of high fertiliser price, the advised was to take the dept fine on additional P&K as it made more financial sense than buying expensive fert….

ground water is in great shape in the country….which is sourced under the irish land we farm…..if the water courses were affected by the farms then the farms would have a ground water issues….which we dont seem to have, water seems to travel sideways before it travels down which must be a breakthrough in scientific knowledge by EPA scientists …i think the epa seems to contradict itself blaming agriculture but not being able to trace it back to farms through groundwater network….

daiymann 5

What about our main farm org ifa did them boys ask

Grueller

Reseeded 3rd September. Macamore type soils so very heavy ground. Always a risk doing that job in September on that Ground so delighted with the way it has turned out

awaywithyou

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731811#Comment_122731811

we didnt let out cows til 18th April here.. we had to let some silage behind when doing 1st cut end of May as the ground was still too wet to travel.. June was baltic around here as we are very close to atlantic ocean.. we had this northwest wind that would skin you… things improved from 15th July on.. this is the 1st time in 10 years our cows have been out by night in October… this time last year all animals were housed and we were motoring through our silage…

i spent nearly ten years close to you in County Meath… definitely dont get as much rain in general as we do in Kerry… definitely dont have to put up with a northwest wind coming straight in from the atlantic…. dont feel the effects of the storms that come from the atlantic like we do.. how much of an affect will this storm coming tonight have on ye??

we have had plenty of rain warnings over the years.. about time we got a break from it…

GrasstoMilk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736531#Comment_122736531

Will you leave that now till you can travel it next year or will it get grazed with sheep ? I reseeded fairly marley ground in august and there’s a good cover of grass on it now but it’s probably too wet to travel with the zero grazer

Grueller

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736652#Comment_122736652

If your ground is only probably too wet it's way ahead of this. I was tracking it in wellingtons.

I'll give it to a sheep farmer friend of mine who I owe a favor or two.

Tileman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736531#Comment_122736531

do u want a few sheep to grace it off. 😂

GrasstoMilk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736938#Comment_122736938

only back today after being away for a week, I’ll give it a walk the next few days and see. Lot of rain here the last week I believe

ginger22

Maize gone in today and a bit of 4th cut crass on top.

Grueller

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122737076#Comment_122737076

No shortage of offers

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122715402#Comment_122715402

I only buy about 12-16 ton a year in 4T lots. I buy a straight mix, I price around now it's a popular grass mix for finishing cattle. I beat a lot of lads feeding more ration by 20-50/ ton. It's just straight barley/ maize/hulls with M&V's. I price it once a year in April and stay with them as long as I am buying it that year.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122715814#Comment_122715814

They only knock off the interest if you pay when they come to collect the first time. If it runs on they let it on the bill. DG discount nothing and Kerry are going that way as well. Get your discount before you deal.

Bass Reeves

Kerry were beating everyone for fertlizer this this year........well to the lads that did not buy from them last year when they forward bought too high a price

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122716366#Comment_122716366

I be of that opinion myself

daiymann 5

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122739113#Comment_122739113

Rations seperate unless theres a nice bit of molasses to bind it together which isnt possi when blowing into bin rations only work when tipped in a shed.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122739089#Comment_122739089

Very same as me for feeding my cull cows at grass.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122739418#Comment_122739418

Yes they tend to separate but not substantially in a 4 ton mix the first 50- 100kgs tend to be Nutty and the last 50-100kgs can be pure flour.

However In between tends to be consistent. For some reason mills tend to compete aggressively with rations but not on nuts. It's very easy to get a mill to price a ration mix that will go out in 3-4 ton loads, whereby a nut to the same specifications is 50/ ton more expensive. With there own nut/ration mixes e⁸ven if the exact same they price difference is not as acute.

I suspect that they can throw the ingredients directly into the mixing bin, mix them and they go directly into the lorry, with a nut that is not an option as it has to be mixed nutted and cooled before being loaded

There own nut mixes do not have that issue and they hold the price on there rations compared to nuts. However they have to compete when you spec the ration yourself.

Another change in the last couple of years is a lot of the mills seems to have recalibrated there mixing equipment. 4-5 years ago if you ordered a 4T mix to you spec you got anything from 3.5-4.5 T. Now it within 20-50kgs of what you order so individual bins feeding into the mixing bin must now⁰ be very accurate.

So this all goes back to is a nut that is consistent in it mix but which you cannot see the individual ingredients worth paying 50/ ton more for compared to a ration that may separate a bit during feeding but which you can be fairly sure of the ingredients.

Biggest influence on the quality of any nut or ration is the quality of barley or maize going in, the rest of the ingredients tend to either vary little in quality or the quantities they are used in a mix means the differing there quality effects the ration or nut very little

visatorro

I tried coarse ration through diet feeder but couldn't deal with the crows and starlings. Couldn't believe how far they were scattering the feed across the yard. They don't seem to attack the nut near as much. Never tried the coarse blend up through the augers.

daiymann 5

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122740121#Comment_122740121

The fine stuff is usually soya so u could seriously alter ur blends protein by not mixing trough.

whelan2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122740342#Comment_122740342

We use coarse blend in feeder wagon. No problem with birds but the feed is inside. It works fine in augers

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122740894#Comment_122740894

The fine stuff would mostly be .maize and flour off rolled barley in any decent ration and would only come out like that if bin was being emptied, if another load was put into bin before it emptied ot would mix with next batch