Tesla Talk

I agree. A cheap and cheerful 2 dr with sharp looks (and a steering wheel) might just be what the world needs now. How many capris, mantas, celicas, mgbs etc sold before the world decided everything needed to be an suv. An efficient Bev powertrain would be ideal for the class of car too!

They havent killed the S or x though

the S and X have contributed 2% to vehicle revenue now since 2020 or so. they’re dead, or NA market only.

Your storyline of their strategy over the past decade is fully correct - but all 4 were normal cars, just with better software and a different means of propulsion - and the strategy was to get to mass market volumes

Today, right now, they have 2 ageing cars with global mass market appeal, and nothing in the next 3 years (at least) to add to the line up and crucially - sell in mass market volume.

that means they need to keep selling the 3 and Y for years and then give those Tesla owners something to change into. This cybercab thing isn’t it, not for mass market anyway.

The semi, obtimus, cybertruck, cybercab and so on and on, are all niche expensive luxury products.

Even the cybertruck hype train is massively running out of steam already. Values dropping hard, and the move to introduce the cheaper non-foundation model last week means they are running out of orders for the expensive Foundation model. That’s a pretty big red flag for future sales volumes. And it’s a NA model only.

what new model will Tesla deliver in the next 5 years to the mass market? The obvious answer used to be the m2, but I think their price cuts have meant the m3 is now an m2+

Gotta agree with you there too 😀

Mind the Model Y was the best selling car in the world last year (as I predicted 2 years ago to much ridicule in this thread and others) and will likely be the best selling car this year too. And I'm not sure if Tesla / Musk has much appetite to take on fierce Chinese competition in the lower ends of the car market. Tesla is not a car company after all.

Tesla Model Y 7 Seat Option - Finally Coming to Europe! Model Y Long Range All-Wheel Drive 7-Seater will be available in Ireland starting at €55,897. I have a look around what it will look like at the Paris Motor show.

It looks like the deeper, under floor storage in the Model Y is unaffected by the extra row of seats?

So a loss of only around 50l (when folded down) for the flexibility of an extra 2 seats and only €4,000 extra?

What is the market is for these kind of 7 seat cars? It would be very awkward to put small children into child seats back there but there isn't enough legroom for older children. Is it for people whose younger children are small enough to fit at the back but old enough to do their own seatbelts? That's got to be very niche?

and only in the AWD model.

There are very few normal sized 7 seaters left and almost none are EVs, so I'd say it will sell pretty well. Not everyone needs, wants or can afford a Santa Fe / EV9 size vehicle. If this was available earlier in Europe, there would be a lot fewer EQBs on the road.

Obviously it wouldn't be an ideal option if you need both the boot and the third row or always need the third row. But the flexibility is handy to have and the increment on the price is less than I was expecting.

I see the market as families who have 2 or 3 kids but want to be able to able to bring an additional adult or child on occasional trips (dropping grandparents home, school runs, away matches, etc). Young kids enjoy the fun of using the back row, although I do think they submit to it more easily when they don't have to do it all the time - or to avoid having to sit in the middle seat.

I've also done short trips as a regular man-sized adult in the back row of both a VW Touran and the Merc EQB that replaced it. Neither was comfortable at all but it is just about bearable even for an adult - e.g. to save having two designated drivers.

A Model Y is a little bigger than either of these so I doubt it's tighter in the leg area (not sure about the the sloping roof). I haven't checked if the middle row can be moved forward to share out the available leg room better between the middle and rear - hopefully yes.

Also, when not using the back seats, you still have a big boot so I say these cars are pretty practical.

Bit harsh, the video attached will give you a better perspective. ideal for kids on occasional use.

Ive 3 but would be handy to have the option to carry friends/family. Matches etc

I've just showed the 7 seater to her indoors, thought she'd jump at it with the .99% finance, no interest the XC90 diesel is staying it's her main car. The EX90 coming in at 140k starting once the EV tarrifs come in means this diesel will be around a long time.

What are the EV tarrifs?