Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

Simplify what now?

You two spent hours yesterday justifying why Lynn Boylan would have knowledge of the entire piece. Additionally you desperately tried to justify her statement on it being in Brian Stanley’s gift to “end all of this” when at the same time you had your buddy @FrancieBrady saying that there was no way SF could adjudicate on the matter that has been referred to the Garda.

Now we have two other front liner SFers who don’t have any knowledge apparently, when Francie was telling us all that of course SF reps being put out to the media should know.

Always in crisis solving mode with temporary lying and deflection.

Indeed. I don’t think SF will collapse to the levels some here but that’s a couple of more seats in the last week where there is a high % they won’t get a seat. Where Stanley was I thought they’d be pushing for 2 seats six months ago.

It appears Stanley may have been familiar with the type of investigation he was going to be subjected to and went there fully tooled up.

An attempt was then made to discipline him. At that point he made the counter claim of a criminal act taking place against him.

Dodgy investigation was left high and dry, Stanley resigns and SF realise that they are in a bit of bother as it would blow up all over the media.

Referred to gardai to appear to be doing the right thing and to keep the detail under wraps.

Lynn Boylan explicitly said Brian Stanley could “end all of this” if he just said what the allegation was against him and was critical of him.

Are you now saying she was not aware of the facts (all day yesterday @FrancieBrady said of course she would be before being sent out to bat).

If that is the case, can Lynn Boylan with any shred of credibility continue to support whistleblowers? Coming out to attack a recent colleague like that when you don’t know the facts appears to be a way to try and shut down that person down.

I didn't ask for that that:

I asked for:

'Can you point to a transparent disciplinary process used by another political party?'

I.E. A disciplinary process with the following (Using Maria Bailey's as an example) :

The full facts of what took place.

Who conducted it. Or who was there

What was said.

What the process was

And the final report?

If it was a 'transparent process' as is demanded of the Shinners, demonstrate it's transparency.

You guys are saying there is a right way of doing these things.

You guys are looking for transperancy.

I assume you are comparing it to some better way of doing it.

So point us to a better way by giving us the detail demanded here in relation to known disciplinary processes in other parties.

Maria Bailey was the subject of a disciplinary hearing, I want transparency on it, can you tell us the following or not?:

The full facts of what took place.


Who conducted it. Or who was there

What was said.


What the process was

And the final report?

If the process is 'transparent' you should have no problem.

Another question is why it took well over two months when it was “one incident”. I know some have blamed holidays. They have also said the counter allegation came on September 11th (six weeks after the allegation).

Why on earth would you allow it to go on so long with such a front facing member and so close to elections? 4-6 weeks really should be the max.

A leader should be able to manage people going on holidays to ensure important processes like this are resolved as quickly as possible. Here we have another instance though (along with the two PR officials and the HR “blunder”) where internal processes failed and the famous “mistakes were made” comes out. That’s not to mention the actual complaints involved in this situation and what they potentially say about standards in the party.

The squirming and seething is a joy to watch. That cowardly ' coalition of chaos ' taunt in the early days of the govt/pandemic comes to mind.

And the whinging over something so self inflicted is incredible.

Even Sunday was just so poorly handled by them between Lynn Boylan and Pa Daly being rolled out to defend the party to the statement by MLMD which put out more questions. I understand that Stanley doing what he did surprised them, but it appears as though this was very sleepy from them. For something that allegedly involved “gross misconduct”, it appears they had not war gamed how to handle this or any other such scenario in public.

Also absolutely mental that once Stanley made an allegation of a criminal nature over one month ago that MLMD was not brought in to at least know that was coming. Any competent “arms length” proceedings like this would have advised the party of this. Is the SF position really that they would have been happy for Stanley to have gone to the Guards on September 11th while they were still weeks away from their own report & the leader wouldn’t have known until the point the it inevitably leaked to the media?

IS Stanley's wife still a member of SF

Did Lynn Boylan she knew the full facts? You've repeatedly claimed she does know the full details. So for sake of clarity, can you state where she said that? I havent seen the quote fromnher myself so would like to see it.

Brain Stanley has refused to provide any substance information as to the allegation made against him. Provided no details as to the disciplinary process and the results of that process. Yet has made a number of vague musings about it all. Again, he can end all of the speculation and uncertainty by stating the facts.

I've twisted no words. You've claimed SF are a cult for getting rid of a pedophile. A bizarre take imo.