Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

spillit67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720911#Comment_122720911

Lynn Boylan specifically said Brian Stanley can “end all of this” if he reveals what the complaint against him was.

How can she make that statement without knowing the facts and making her own determination?

If that is the case, why on earth was Lynn Boylan privy to details involving a Garda complaint to come when Mary Lou McDonald was not when informed of a potential allegation dating from September 11th to October 12th?

If Lynn Boylan was not aware of all the details (as seems to be the pivot position from yesterday as you know that Matt Carthy and Louise O’Reilly have refuted that they know), why the heck was she speaking about a recent colleague in that manner?

The quite simple thing for Lynn Boylan to say would have been that she has faith in the internal procedures of the party (and it is not her place to know the details) and is disappointed that Stanley left before they “completed”. That is not what she said though, she went a step further.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720908#Comment_122720908

Agree on that also. If there is a criminal issue involved the CEO/leader is told immediately, so from September 11, MLMD should have known. That she didn't is either gross negligence by the barrister involved, gross mismanagement by MLMD of the procedures, or she is lying.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720911#Comment_122720911

Things are getting really desperate now that you are resorting to making up things that other posters have said. Don't go down the credibility loss road that other SF supporters have disappeared.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720911#Comment_122720911

Morning Ireland did a vox pop of voters and asked them about the issue this morning.
Several of them made the exact same recommendation that Lynn Boylan made.

'Stanley should tell us exactly what the accusation was…'

That particular poster just wants as many heads as possible over this.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720898#Comment_122720898

No other party helps paedophile officials get jobs working with children.

No other party holds kangaroo courts.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720965#Comment_122720965

You are confusing public interest in a story with the public interest.

StrawbsM

It’s when she said he was putting out half a story that implies she knew the full story….

Speaking on Newstalk on Sunday morning, Sinn Féin European MEP Lynn Boylan said Mr Stanley was ‘putting out half a story’. She also encouraged him to reveal the nature of the complaint that led to the investigation. 

Brian could end all of this today, and actually could tell people what he was being investigated for, if he felt so hard done by in terms of that process.’

spillit67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720965#Comment_122720965

They aren’t members of the party, are they?

You have been avoiding this again all morning. Your position yesterday was that of course she and other SF members being put out to the media would have been privy to the details hence what she said. Now we know that SF members put out to the media do not know the details.

So if the position is that Lynn Boylan did not know the details, why did she think it appropriate to talk like that about a recent colleague? I would have thought someone so conscious of whistleblowers would understand the impact of what her media appearance would have on Brian Stanley.

This is really quite hilarious- yourself and the other one here can’t even admit that someone like Boylan might have made a mistake in what they put out on the radio. It really is the school of Roy Cohn that you lot learned from.

pureza

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720965#Comment_122720965

it wasn’t a vox pop of voters,it was of SF voters bar 1

1 out of 4 of which was critical
1 was very lyn Boylan and one hadn’t heard of the controversy at all,the non SF voter

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720966#Comment_122720966

The job he went for was not 'working with children'.

Could you stop exaggerating for once?

And you still haven't credibly answered and have once again adopted somebody you ordinarily would lambast as your latest truthsayer.

Why did a barrister and solicitor allow him to stay in a 'kangaroo court'?

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720993#Comment_122720993

There were two vox pop segments. One earlier in the show and one later.

And I'm not sure how it disproves the point. It is possible to ask what Lynn Boylan asked without knowing the details of the complaint. All you need to know is that there had been a disciplinary process in fact.

pureza

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720996#Comment_122720996

He saw the process through to the end with his legal advisor(s) and spoke publically once he saw the ‘report’ ,what were you expecting a senior member of 40 years standing to do?

Honestly you ask the silliest of questions

StupidLikeAFox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720833#Comment_122720833

That's the 4th time in 24 hours you've tried to crowbar Maria Bailey into the discussion now

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122721012#Comment_122721012

He saw the process through to the end 

He didn't. He terminated it early and didn't take the opportunity to make submissions on the preliminary report.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720946#Comment_122720946

So Lynn Boylan never said she knew all the facts, despite you repeatedly claiming she did? It's a simple question, I don't know you csnt answer it. Did Lynn Boylan say she knew all the facts? Yes or no?

The same way I can make the same statement without knowing the full facts. BS can end all the speculation by providing a full account of the accusation made against him and how to investigate and the outcome of that process to end all the speculation and innuendo about it. He hasn't so far.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720955#Comment_122720955

I didn't make it up. Here, I'll quote you again.

A cult is never interested in the welfare of its members, only in its cause, in protecting itself from criticism.

You criticised SF for not being interested in the welfare of a pedophile and stated how SF sacrificed a pedophile for their own benefit.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720965#Comment_122720965

Of course they did, any normal rational person would think so. I camln understand why the FG membership in here think otherwise though.

spillit67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720973#Comment_122720973

From a leadership and PR perspective, the explanations are;

1. that she was sent out to hammer Brian Stanley on a story just emerging in order to discredit him. This would have been before SF released their statement (which took 15 hours) from the point of Stanley resigning suggesting they were at sixes and sevens. At the point that Boylan went on radio, it may not have been viewed as necessary to refer the criminal complaint but they knew once a follow up from Stanley saying it came that without it they looked worse for not doing so. In that case Boylan should he rightly annoyed with her leader for putting her in such a position. If Boylan was made aware of the complaint against Stanley but not Stanley’s complaint, then should just be at calling for her leader to step down territory for sending her out to argue like that. For someone who cherishes the importance of whistleblowers, the perception is that she was getting the first hit in on someone speaking out.
2. the second scenario is that Lynn Boylan went on a solo run beyond the placid response she could have made. In that case she really should be out apologising herself to Brian Stanley and saying she wants the Garda process to he completed.

All of this is impossible to know though because we had a story from @FrancieBrady yesterday saying of course SF reps would know but last night this was said to he incorrect by Matt Carthy and Louise O’Reilly.

spillit67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122721029#Comment_122721029

I never said Lynn Boylan knew the facts. Francie did yesterday.

All I did was quote Lynn Boylan’s own words and the implications of them.

Red Silurian

What exactly is Brian Stanley being accused (or accusing SF) of? Fact is nobody knows, except for him, the cops and senior party members and none of them are giving up any information.

I accept it's unlikely to be a parking ticket, missing money is my best guess. He could become the SF version of Michael Lowry or Charles Haughey, 2 men still held in very high regard by FFG and their slimy supporters

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122721043#Comment_122721043

I said she would have been briefed on a disciplinary process taking place.

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720898#Comment_122720898

As long as SF and its supporters go on telling themselves that that is why SF has a problem here, SF will never solve its problem here.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122721029#Comment_122721029

That is a hell of a logic leap that doesn't make sense. A disingenuous debating point.

SF doesn't care whether its members are guilty or innocent, it only concerns itself with its own reputation.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720597#Comment_122720597

You cannot continue a quasi legal inquiry after a criminal matter is given in writing to the inquiry. No if's I or buts.

The Legislation has not to refer to that. It states only about criminal activity by a client not to a client. There was no onus on BS or his legal team to report the issue to AGS. SF were carrying out the enquiry they should have reported it to AGS full stop.

There Is many cases where AGS cannot continue with a prosecution where the person who the criminal action was against refused to acknowledge the complaint. These people never have a case to answer generally

spillit67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122721065#Comment_122721065

So therefore what you are saying is highly problematic for someone who claims to value whistleblowers.

If she was briefed properly, she would have known that there a counter allegation & the reasons why Stanley felt aggrieved.

If she was not briefed on that, it very much shows that SF sent her out to damage Brian Stanley with her statements on it being within his gift to “end all of this”.

When will Lynn Boylan be clarifying what she knew and when?

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122721118#Comment_122721118

Pere, if it's not this 'problem' another will be invented. Last GE it was their legacy, this time internal structures under scrutiny for transparency NO other party is asked for as demonstrated. Next time it will be something else…

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122721131#Comment_122721131

Hold on.
BS had a barrister and solicitor there who heard the criminal complaint.
Why didn't they pull the plug and report to the Gardai?

squonk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122721035#Comment_122721035

It’s very stupid indeed that Lynn Boylan might have been wheeled out by the party on this at all. If she had the media appearance booked the best advice is say nothing of substance. She’s a grown woman. If she was told to savage BS in that interview she should have taken the order in board but held back nonetheless. If you don’t know the cure issue you’re speaking on you’re in very shaky ground. That’s true in any walk of life. I’d rather be pulled up by my boss for not following an order than for following it but shredding the company reputation.

Lynn Boylan was the one recent SF success story. High profile and a lot of media coverage when she win her EU seat. She should have been left out of this. If she did a solo run and inserted herself then she should be facing a disciplinary process herself. It really sounds like they don’t know what they’re doing and throwing any available body on the air to try and deflect without preparation.

Interestingly, the old reliables, Doherty and O’Broin seem strangely unavailable at the moment.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122721169#Comment_122721169

Other than here, Boylan's interjection is forgotten. A strange obsession with it tbh. People outside SF want to know the detail of the complaint to make a judgement.

spillit67

And for anyone else in the audience who wants to know what @FrancieBrady actually posted yesterday.

I asked was it right for SF reps to be given the details of allegations.

Francie’s response;

Again: I would think it completely normal for party members to be informed once a shock resignation of a high profile member occurs. I can't see how it could work any other way. 

Now he is slithering on the “briefed” language as if to deny it.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720497#Comment_122720497

It is whataboutery but it is also easy one to make, if some lad is drunk in the bar in Leinster hse, will they be sexually assaulted in the future by this man.