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Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,448 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Catholics believe (or are supposed to) that the host is the actual body of Christ

    Science says it's not, DNA says it's not…

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    I AGREE 👍

    Right, back on topic, how many more cycles will there be with Burke being imprisoned & released, imprisoned & released again . . . . . imprisoned.

    How long can this go on for, and how will the cycle be stopped?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭myfreespirit


    Off topic, but a response to your post:

    Nitpick: Gender dysphoria is categorised as an illness. See mayoclinic.org for the source of the information below. You are of course quite correct in stating that it is not an ideology nor is it a belief system. However, it is an illness.

    This in no way is to disrespect any person who is transgender; as mayoclinic.org points out, some transgender people may experience dysphoria at some point in their lives.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,330 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    We're probably going way off topic here but with biological sex we've a robust evidence base it exists, that there's only 2 sexes (there is a tiny group of people where there is some ambiguity over what their sex is but they are not a third sex), it's independently verifiable, and we know you can't change sex. This is the opposite of gender in that its evidence base isn't robust, there are multiple genders, you can't independently verify someone's gender (people have to tell you) and you change your gender, you can change your gender regularly, and you can change your gender to have no gender.

    This isn't to say that you shouldn't respect everyone's gender or how they identify, as you should, but to paraphrase sex and gender really are very different.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,959 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It's my impression that the Burkes do not see the difference between other persons sex and gender as they see it through an ancient mental historical religious perspective. That is where their position is where it comes to other persons gender identity. There is no acceptance of the other person having a gender identity outside what the Burkes say it is. By all appearances, to them Genesis 27 says it all. So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. You could talk to them ad infinitum about the difference and they would call you satanic, the same way Mrs Burke called the judge in the High Court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,654 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    The Bible also says that Adam and Eve had two children Cain and Abel. It doesn’t explain what happened next. I hope the Burkes do not have their own interpretation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,959 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    With, one presumes, a blessed blessing. As the sacrament of marriage is an organised religious rite from a later era, one would hope the Burkes could see and accept there were no such things as out of wedlock offspring back then. Arguing with the almighty would be so NAFF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    There seems to be quite a widespread misunderstanding (amongst some) around the fact that sex and gender are not the same thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    The delicious irony of the religious person posting about how they don't believe in trans people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,476 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Don't believe in trans people, but believe that a wafer can become the body of Jesus and that a cup of wine can become his blood?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,058 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Hmmm religion or science? Science or religion? Why not have both and join Scientology? 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭It wasnt me123


    FFS stop with the religious clap trap. Its boring and it takes the thread off topic. These trolls know exactly what they are doing. What happens next if he doesn't agree with the court orders?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,959 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    He's already way past the "disagreement with the courts" stage about it's orders, which is why he was returned to jail for continuing his contempt of court last week. He stay's there until he tells the court he will obey it's order to stay away from Wilsons Hospital School. One presumes that he will honour his word and do so if the court accepts he will obey the order and orders his release from jail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    What should happen next, is his case against the Disciplinary Appeal Panel should be heard by the Court of Appeal. That is all that is holding up the DAP hearing from proceeding. Once it does, and his dismissal from WHS is finalised, his salary will be stopped.

    Then, (AFAIK, I am not a legal professional!) if he is released again without purging his contempt, and he ignores the injunction by turning up on the school premises, I believe WHS can call the Gardai and ask for him to be arrested. As he will no longer have any claim of being a WHS employee, it will become a criminal matter, and he can be jailed with a fixed sentence.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,330 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Does he also have a case with the WRC? It's really very hard to keep a track of all these things.

    Even with his case against the appeal panel that's really dragging now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    No, not before the WRC. That was Ammi.

    Though no doubt he will try that, next.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,668 ✭✭✭secman


    The sister took her case to the WRC when she lost her job in the legal practice, can't recall the Law firms name. She lost the case and went to the courts with her case, think they sided with WRC verdict. It's hard to keep track with them all, the barrister brother is also having a go at the Bar Council, he can't get a senior barrister to take him on to devil for them. Religion is the ruination of that entire family. Soap opera stuff all together, if it was a drama series or movie you would say it's far fetched.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,448 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Arthur Cox. But they'd already given her as much PFO money as the WRC were already likely to award her, if she'd actually won her case. She just forgot to do the FO bit 😁

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,959 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    This is open to deletion by the Mods as it's a form of link-dropping. Virgin 1 has a programme titled Real Life with Lucy on now until 10PM about transgender teens explaining how their life has been since they became aware that they are Transgender people. People have the option to watch it if they choose or leave it at their own choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,509 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    What's this got to do with Enoch though? Nothing...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,959 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    He and his family oppose the concept that transgender people exist, they poo-poo the whole concept as do some posters here with a "it's all in their minds" attitude, that transgender people should accept what nature gave them and keep quiet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,665 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Actually watching it and 2 things strike me first is it must be awful to have to go through what those people have to and secondly why it would bother anyone else what is going on in other peoples lives and how they are, it makes no sense to me. I don’t really understand transgenderism but I wouldn’t judge anyone on things I don’t understand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,668 ✭✭✭secman


    "Solicitor Ammi Burke has been ordered to pay the legal costs incurred in the Court of Appeal by the Workplace Relations Commission (WRC) and her former employer Arthur Cox.

    Her appeal was dismissed last April, with the Court of Appeal finding the High Court had been justified in throwing out her judicial review mid-hearing when faced with Ms Burke’s “utterly appalling and egregious” behaviour.

    Ms Burke, of Castlebar, Co Mayo, had wanted the courts to overturn the WRC’s rejection of her complaint alleging she was unfairly dismissed in late 2019 from Arthur Cox, where she was a junior associate. The law firm denied unfairly dismissing her.

    A WRC adjudicating officer also ceased hearing her complaint amid “sustained and deliberate obstruction and disruptions” by Ms Burke’s mother, Martina Burke.

    The Court of Appeal based its recent decision on written submissions after cutting short its oral hearing of Ms Burke’s appeal due to her interruptions.

    On Tuesday, the Court of Appeal ruled that she should be liable to pay necessary costs incurred by the WRC and Arthur Cox in successfully fighting her appeal.

    It rejected as “misconceived on a fundamental level” Ms Burke’s submissions asking the court to refrain from making a costs order against her.

    Her request was based on complaints about how the appeal hearing was conducted and criticisms of the court’s judgment, the judges said.

    “An unsuccessful appellant cannot avoid a costs order by impermissibly complaining that the judgment was wrong,” they said.

    The court also refused a request from the law firm to mark its disapproval of Ms Burke’s conduct by ordering costs on a “legal practitioner and client” basis, which covers all reasonable costs incurred, even those that were not absolutely necessary.

    The judges noted they upheld the High Court’s decision to order Ms Burke to pay the bulk of the High Court costs on this basis.

    The Court of Appeal’s disapproval of Ms Burke’s conduct is “clearly evident” from its main judgment so it is unnecessary to mark its disapproval through ordering for costs in this way, particularly when the legal practitioner and client costs for the High Court “are likely to be significantly more substantial”, they said."

    The judicial system needs to start hurting this family in the pocket, the state is wasting huge amount of money on their Tom foolery. They need to know there's consequences for their actions.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,858 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    He will remain in jail until he purges his contempt whether it's 6 months or 20 years. Contempt is a direct challenge to democracy and there is no get out of jail free card. The longest case was 14 years I think and they were released on some kind of probation as the had reached the age of 68 (it's a while so the details might not be 100%). But Burke is young so he could beat that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,548 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I imagine because of this case our contempt laws will probably be updated.

    Law Reform has been calling for it for decades.

    As odious as he is, no one should be locked up indefinitely without a trial.

    Apart from that it is exactly what he wants, or his abusive family want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    I disagree -if someone chooses it be ignoring a direct judicial order, they mist certainly can be locked up.

    Its not definitely - he has control.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,816 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I believe the firm was Corless, Corless and Sweeney

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,548 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I never suggested they couldn't.

    But there is a reason he has been given so much rope by the High Court Judges and even in the last sitting he was asked 10 times to purge his contempt, the judiciary as they have written about in the past are not comfortable with our archaic contempt laws.

    Burke now is exploiting that unease for his own end.

    He is getting exactly what he wants.

    We probably need to stop doing that or the school will never be rid of him and it is costing us all financially to entertain this nonsense.



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