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GAA Infastructure

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Generally stands refer to covered seated areas as opposed to standing or seated terraces.

    Well you can look forward to the top notch stand in Cavan if current plans are realised. Once they demolish the piece of s**t that supporters are currently slumming it in. Another souless single stand stadium costing a small fortune.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    No they do not refer to covered at all. You are just 100% wrong there.

    Cavan will be exactly like it is now but with one better stand. Are you saying it is currently soulless ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭HBC08


    I heard the Wexford chairman on RTE today talking about the job they did on Wexford Park.

    They had a realistic budget and came up with a 3 year plan.3 years later their stand is refurbished and looks great,new dressing rooms,media,offices,floodlights and a Centre Of Excellence.

    Thats is the way to do things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Where did I say its currently souless? I said its a nice ground. But if you want to build a large new stand and put all the spectators into it you'll change that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    The new stand proposed for Breffni is not roughly the same size as the old one, it is far bigger. As per an earlier post by me, the new structure will be three storeys and have 8 extra dressing rooms, a handball alley and multiple other rooms (many of which could be hosted in the same space given how often they'll be used but this plan has separate rooms for all). It is several times the size of the new stand in St Conleth's.

    It's also one single planning application so can't be watered down without a new planning application. The design means it can't be easily split or phased, there's a central concourse area with bridges above for the upper levels. It'll have to be completely redesigned when they realise they won't be getting handed 10s of millions in funding.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The new stand won't be bigger than the old one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    3 stories ?

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    Looks the same size to me. Might have more in back but the stadium won't have a significant change in capacity by the looks of it.

    What's the capacity of this new stand ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    The seated capacity will be much the same, don’t remember seeing exact figures for current or proposed. Behind that, they have applied for planning permission for a huge structure housing everything I listed previously and more. Look at the ground, first and second floor plans in the link I posted (click Scanned Files and a new window pops up). There is more facilities in the proposed Breffni stand than in the main stand at PUC, even though the PUC stands has a lot more seats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    IT seems they are actually keeping the existing covered stand and extending it each side and to the rear. This would make sense than a wasteful demolotion and rebuild. I was under the impression that full demolition of that side would occur.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,717 ✭✭✭celt262


    6,000 for the new stand currently there is 5,030 seats with majority of them uncovered.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    But demolishing and rebuilding the two uncovered parts of the stand is being wasteful, it is surely possible to adapt those - put in proper seats and a roof on top. They could dig out the embankments behind to add rooms behind. There is definitely a "money is no object" approach taken here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Adapting those old stands often means laying a new floor to set a new gradient or walk space. I remember Cork trying to put bucket seats in the old uncovered stand and people had no room to walk so they had to cut the backs off.

    Also we don't know what condition the concrete is in on that old stand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    It depends on the gradient of the terraces either side. Do you think it's the same as the covered area?

    I see a cross section of the existing stand in the documents and the gradient looks good but hard to say for sure.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    I assume that the gradient of the uncovered areas is the same as the covered area. Logically, the fixed benches should have more leg room as the seats don't flip up but not sure if that's the case. I think the reason for demolishing the existing uncovered seating areas is to build facilities under and behind, maybe the profile is an issue but looks like they wanted to demolish anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    They would probably need to take away an area at the rear anyway to facilitate foundations for the new roof. So maybe the decided to take it all out as it may involve breaking through the precast support frame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    There is plenty of space behind for foundations. Look at the size of what they want to build in its place, it is a huge structure;

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    It dwarfs the existing stand where it is to be retained

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    Retaining and adapting the existing uncovered seating areas might have been an option under a different plan but may not be given the scale of what they want to build there. I don't think the intention is to avoid wasteful demolition, like I said, there's a "money is no object" approach here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    How old is the current structure ?

    Maybe replacing it saves money in the long run. Maybe replacing doesn't really cost much more than an awkward retrofit. I doubt any of us here have the answer to that.

    Also only in Ireland is 3 stories called a "huge structure" 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Seems the new roof is 3m higher than the existing so that means they will have to remove and replace the existing stand roof. It also looks like the concrete steps are being replaced so not sure how that equates to extending the stand either side. Looks like it's effectively replaced Very confusing.

    *Correction - it looks like the central area has a different gradient to that each side so maybe they are retaining the steps in that area. Unusual if they do that but maybe it can work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Whether replacing doesn't cost much more than retrofit is irrelevant given they won't have enough funding to build.

    And yes it is a huge structure in the context of GAA stands, which is the only relevant metric. You can say it's not huge in comparison to a 100 storey building but that would be pointless. It has twice the footprint of the €13m + VAT new stand in St. Conleth's Park and a storey taller.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    The planning application drawings clearly show the existing covered seating being retained but being extended back and the roof being replaced. The uncovered seating sections are to be demolished.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭rrs


    I think it was 2002 when it redeveloped. It was a strange design . A roof over the seats and the wooden seats both sides uncovered. It was renamed kingspan breffni so surely they could have funded a roof.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    The drawings show the roof new but the description of the works describes building new covered stands either side of the existing covered stand. That description suggests they would maintain the roof hence I said it was confusing. But it looks like they plan to reroof the entire side.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Yes you would think Kinspan with their resources would have the entire side covered by now at the very least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    I was in Croker to see the rugby at the weekend. A very good Munster crowd let down by a diabolical first 20 mins and a ref out of his depth but Croker itself needs a makeover.

    The bar facilities are very bad in comparison to Aviva . It's a skeleton if a stadium co.pared woth the Aviva. There's no variety in food stands..zero artisian stuff. You've 3 types of beer ...all rubbish. And on the upper cusack theyjust can't cope with any que. It needs millions spent on it. The atmosphere and facilities in places like Thomond park,RDS,Aviva, Galway are light years ahead. Lads there ll be nobody watching gaelic football if rugby keeps these huge advantages .

    The Gaelic Grounds in Limerick needs the Mackey Stand redone properly and a few bars and restaurants put in it and some corporate boxes. For get about the other 3 sides they are fine for summer. The Mackey needs to be top class rivaling the facilities in Thomond Park.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What does Thomond Park have that Croke Park doesn't ? All I can remember is the same sht beer and food. RDS was great for food when I was there for a gig but it's all outside the ground.

    Haven't been to the new Lansdowne but been to a few Premier League grounds and big music venues that have teamed up with local breweries which is great.

    I've had no problems with the bars in a full Croke Park but was at a Saturday night Dublin game and most people seemed to be there to drink and the rugby crowd in my experience are the same. Half of them only see the match on the screens under the stand.

    And the rugby crowd like to fool themselves into thinking it's a big sport because the "there to be seen" people show up while Ireland are winning but the URC crowds and even European crowds now are pathetic (except in Leinster who are surprise surprise winning). All the great facilities are not doing much to to even half fill Thomond Park these days now that Munster are losing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    The ref wasn't at all out of their depth.

    the bar facilities aren't worse than aviva. I work both. 3 types of beer. That's the exact same in aviva. Aviva has contract for pouring with diageo and bar Heineken cup events you will have guinness. Carlsberg and rockshore. Queueing is a different issue and that's more that the staff aren't used to how much people drink at rugby games.... especially compared to big hurling games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Rugby with their huge advantages having to come to the GAA for extra ground capacity. 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Cork County Board said they are still looking at hosting the Euros and now thomas is saying the state are again trying to get games for outside Dublin.

    Any bets PUC gets a bag of money to upgrade to a 30k plus all seater stadium that meets UEFA standards?

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ireland-has-told-uefa-it-wants-to-host-more-euro-2028-matches-1684210.html



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