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GAA Infastructure

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Yes,it's a bizarre metric to build a county ground by.

    I've only been to Newbridge once,there's no covered terrace? It's a very basic ground but looking forward to seeing new stand at some stage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,372 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Like others, I see no evidence of a covered terrace.

    A lot of this thread is about having higher quality stadiums, but not necessarily huge ones. This one is hardly big enough, so meets the second requirement but only 20% of its capacity is seated or covered.

    If they didn't have enough budget then they should have built a deeper covered stand in the central part of the pitch, with uncovered seating or terracing at near the goals for now, and then come back and roof that later.

    I just think that such a lack of ambition in one of the largest counties with a fast growing population is alarming for the GAA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That's a bizarre suggestion to half build a stand. If they are going to "come back later" they might as well build in the big gap by the half a terrace on the far side or build a new stand over that side.

    Also the new stand has a very similar footprint to the old one so their might be planning or entry/exit issues. Very few GAA stadiums have their capacity set by the amount of available space in the stands/terraces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,372 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Leaving aside LGFA, Camoige, Hurling and general club games. Kildare football will have maybe 3 or 4 league games and maybe 3 or 4 championship games a year so for that many games id say the stadium is big enoght.

    Any other money can be invested in more pitches around the county and coaches in schools.I say for most countys kildares set up would be perfect.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    I had my bearings wrong when I looked at the stadium on Google Maps, I thought they built the new stand on the other side and that the stand with the roof remained.

    In any case, capacity isn't an issue for now and may never be. Capacity could quite easily be increased by extending two of the existing terraces which don't go full length.

    On that note, does anyone know anything about this club house building? Looks like it hasn't been done yet but the site has been cleared, is it going to happen or is it not needed now with the facilities in the new stand?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,741 ✭✭✭threeball


    Nice ground. What most GAA grounds should aim for. Possibly a 2nd stand on the opposite side.

    The Breffni plan is a joke. I cant remember the last time the current ground sold out, if ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The Breffni plan is almost identical. It's basically a new main stand with hospitality facilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭HBC08


    The Breffni plan is of course a joke and will never been done.

    Kildare spent 12m.

    The money involved in what they're looking to do in Breffni is so outrageous that they can't even cost it! Who goes about building something like that?

    No worries though,the Apple money will pay for it.

    If they are serious they should look to refurbish their main stand,put in bucket seats and maybe a roof on the opposite side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Correct it won't be done. Nonsense to consider knocking an existing cantilever stand when it could be extended or the opposite side of ground improved with a covered area.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    Looks abit like Nemo rangers club ground in Cork. Cavan isn't the centre of anywhere except bad land and poor infrastructure

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,741 ✭✭✭threeball


    Possibly, but I wouldn't go upgrading a stadium for 10s of millions in the hopes a non existent sport happens to return.

    I'm off to build a cage round the house in case a T-rex stops by.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    By "current cantilevered stand" do you mean this heap of sht ?

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    No county should be getting chastised for wanting to replace something like this with a modern main stand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    'Piece of ****!" ? That's quite an arrogant comment on a perfectly functional stand with no visual barriers. Very few GAA grounds have a cantilevered stand. No reason not to renovate and extend and add stand the far side. The extended parts could incorporate dressing room and other facilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    They have a little bit of a cantilevered roof added to a very old stand with mostly wooden seats.

    And I would say the idea that very few have cantilevered stands is out of date.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    The seats could be replaced and stand extended. Its a more efficient use of money allowing more money to develop other sides of the ground, extra playing pitch facilities, hospitality etc. I dislike the idea of grounds having one very large stand dominating everything when a more balanced approach would be to cater for supporters all around the pitch thus improving atmosphere for players and supporters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭HBC08


    I'm bored at work so here's my list (off the top of my head) of county grounds with cantilever stands,I'm a bit of a stadium nerd!

    Croker,Dublin

    PUC,Cork

    Pearse Stadium ,Galway

    Hyde Park,Roscommon

    Nowlan Park, Kilkenny

    Breffni Park,Cavan

    St Conleths Park,Kildare

    Portlaoise,laoise

    O Connor Park,Offaly

    Pairs Sean Mac Diarmuida,Leitrim

    Athletic Grounds, Armagh

    Celtic Park,Derry

    Pairs Eisler,Down

    St Tiernachs Park,Clones

    Walsh Park,Waterford

    Aughrim,Wicklow

    McGovern Park,London

    So that 15 out of 32 or 16 out of 33 if you include London.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The new stand will be roughly the same size as the old one by the looks of it.

    You are saying fully roof this and bucket seat it which will involve re-concreting and maybe a whole new floor. What then a brand new stand in the either side with the same terrible hospitality facilities we have all over Ireland ? I don't see the point in that.

    I am basing this though on the idea that the plans in that press release will be well watered down. The structure of the stand won't look that fancy and the museum will be a wall with some pictures in the hospitality area. A lot of the rooms listed will be the same rooms reused.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    If the plans are that watered down it's difficult to see the sense in demolishing what's there as well as the costs that go with that and removing and disposing materials. Just to replace with something that's not much different. An upgrade on the existing can possibly provide the hospital facilities but that's a question for an architect.

    As I said I'm not a huge fan of the single dominant stand that seems to happen in a lot of GAA stadia. What you are favouring is more of that. For me the best approach is each county having a comfortable multi stand facility catering for around 15-20k people and a provincial ground with larger capacity.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I mean the press release fluffy like a "museum" or a big glass facade at the back of the stand. The new stand, hospitality facilities and backroom facilities will all I'm sure be very welcome by users if they get built.

    As planned or watered down will still be way better than what's there.

    The reason GAA stadiums are dominated by one stand is because the vast majority of games in a county ground don't need much more. Seats, roofs and hospitality for 15/20k in the likes of Cavan is absolute madness. You're basically spending a ton of money just to suit the fair weather championship fan who couldn't be arssed showing up for the league or club championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    You talk about the need for improved hospitality facilities but rubbish the idea of cover for so called 'fair weather' fans. That makes no sense. Cavan may be a division 2 team but it's hardly over ambitious to plan for attendances of 15k with most of them under cover. The more comfort available the more likely people will go to games. You're not allowing for that with your idea. Looks at lower level football clubs in England with small capacities. They aren't building one big stand and ignoring the rest of the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Because I don't believe that more cover will mean more come. I have been to way way too many games where even the covered stand isn't full to believe that.

    Just take Limerick for example. If we have money for the stadium I would choose proper hospitality for the Mackey which won't even be full for the county final over a roof on the uncovered stand where I sit for the league will get wet a couple of times a season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Provincial GAA grounds are souless monolithic shitholes. You get in as close to throw in as you can and out as soon as the ref blows it up.


    unfortunately the GAA psyche struggles with the concept of sport as an entertainment product.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Using Limerick with a capacity of 44k hosting a county club final is an irreverent argument against developing grounds for 15k for intercounty attendances. Like stadiums like MacHale Pak Castiebar with its oversized stand that you would perish with cold during a club match and fbd games that ship has sailed. Breffni is a nice stadium and has the opportunity to do something different.

    Souless for club games and league games yes. That's why that model should not be copied for county grounds with smaller attendances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The Mackey stand only hold 7000 and isn't that different in size to many other main stands so ya it's the same. It's a shte stand too same as many main stands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Yeah - similar to many other main stands that are too big for the scale of the remainder of the ground. That's a provincial sized stand. You prefer everyone in the one stand for club and inter county league games. Fair enough if thats what you want but i think it's poor for atmosphere and a bad look for televised matches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What are you on about. The Mackey stand is the smallest stand in the Gaelic Grounds.

    I don't want it to be big at all. I actually want it to be smaller but be able to get a pint or a proper bit of food (as proper as a stadium can do). Limerick is big enough that it should probably have 2 stands of that quality but most like Cavan only need one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Westernview


    The Mackey stand is the smallest stand? There isn't any other stand so not sure what you're on about.

    So kow you're switching to the idea or making the stand smaller and putting a second one the far side but no that's a bad idea scaled down for smalle4 venues. You couldn't make it up



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well I'm pretty sure the "Uncovered stand" is a stand. But to make it simpler the Gaelic Grounds is made up of 4 parts and the Mackey is the smallest.

    It doesn't matter though if the stand in Cavan is the biggest or smallest (within reason). What matter is there is one properly top notch stand. Same goes for Kildare. You don't have to end at that point but have to start there.



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