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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,026 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Or posed smiling with a picture of a hostage?

    Or danced during the 7th October ceremony?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,023 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    It seems that lie seem to be now getting associated with Kamal, quite something for CNN to publish this the other day.

    "Looking at what people say they have heard, read or seen about Harris, “lie” has emerged as a persistent top word that some Americans associate with her."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    It's a bit telling that you haven't shared the source. So that growth is more likely to be rhetoric that has become popular with Trump supporters.

    The share of Americans mentioning words such as “lie” or “liar” when asked what they’ve heard about Harris remains quite small — just 6% in the latest data, compared with 15% who mentioned something related to immigration, for example — but it has grown over time, rising from 3% or less prior to the Democratic convention to peak at 9% shortly after the debate.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/06/politics/breakthrough-polling-project-harris-lie/index.html



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You don't get a phone in the pen. His bile will be choked off by incarceration.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    The man-baby strikes again. Cancelling a 60 Minutes interview (which all candidates have done since the 60s) because he wanted an apology for something that never happened, and because he didn't want to be fact checked. The fact that this election is apparently so close is an indictment on the American people and their obvious lack of education.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    is that the event for raising awareness about the hostages etc. where he ended his remarks by blasting YMCA by the village people?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    It's worth noting that Peter Thiel is an investor in Polymarket which calls into question its impartiality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,023 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    I did share the souce, I said cnn. I didn't post a link because that can result in the post being deleted if you don't give an opinion on it, which you did with your own musing about it being associated to Trump, the article did not say the rethoric has become popular amoung Trump supporters when referring to Kamala.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    So much weird with Ron DeSantis this week.

    It was confirmed by his staff he was dodging calls from Kamala Harris as Helene and Milton hurricanes have come over Florida. DeSantis was rolled in the media for playing partisan games. He wasn't just dodging her calls but the Presidents. Similarly last year he was dodging visits by the Biden administration - it all reads as his deeply partisan attacks against Kamala Harris since she became the contender driving his decision making, and also he is probably still feeling humiliated from the first disaster event he did with Biden over a condo collapse. He's been highly virulent against the administration ever since:

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    Fast forward to today and Ron once again dressed in business attire, and scheduled air time with Fox & Friends to blast Kamala Harris for scolding him ghosting the administration's calls yesterday:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/kamala-harris/ron-desantis-harris-call-hurricane-helene-political-rcna174276

    "You know, moments of crisis, if nothing else, should really be the moment that anyone who calls themselves a leader says they’re gonna put politics aside and put the people first. People are in desperate need of support right now. And playing political games at this moment in these crisis situations, these are the height of the emergency situations. It’s just utterly irresponsible, and it is selfish, and it is about political gamesmanship instead of doing the job that you took an oath to do, which is to put the people first." - Kamala Harris

    Since Helene hit, DeSantis has been working hand in glove with the Trump campaign to politicize the crisis, calling the federal response 'floundering' and accusing the government of 'failing to act.' Members of his Florida State Guard were even apparently allowed to go on Fox News and politicize further (something National Guardsmen would never be allowed to do, the National Guard remains apolitical) while there, they continued to shill for Ron DeSantis and spread misinformation about FEMA.

    DeSantis said of Kamala Harris,

    Well, I think she should look in the mirror. We’ve been on an emergency footing for two weeks straight, round the clock, 24-7. We’ve been working in my office, our division of emergency management, helping people prepare for Hurricane Helene, helping effectuate rescues of people after Hurricane Helene, helping people pick up the pieces of their lives after Helene, and then have to also turn around and prepare for major impacts and maybe even more impacts from Hurricane Milton. Be able to have rescue personnel ready to help people and then, of course, help with the power restoration, all these things to do.

    So that’s been my sole focus. My focus has not been on dealing with Kamala Harris. I did I saw the news report. I didn’t know she tried to contact me. But I’d also say it’s not about you, Kamala. It’s about the people of Florida. My focus is exactly where it should be. And I can tell you this. I’ve worked on these hurricanes under both President Trump and President Biden. Neither of them ever tried to politicize it. She has never called on any of the storms we’ve had since she’s been vice president until apparently now.

    Why, all of a sudden, is she trying to parachute in and inject herself when she’s never shown any interest in the past? We know it’s because of politics. We know it’s because of her campaign. I have zero time to entertain these political games. We’re going to continue to do what we need to do to prepare and respond to what may be one of the most damaging storms in the history of the United States. So she says focusing on protecting your people is selfish. I think she ought to look in the mirror.

    Which all reads as hypocrisy and projection: he's on Fox & Friends in his business attire making political hay, which cuts right against his claim of a "sole focus" on rescue and recovery, round the clock, 24/7, and he's parachuted his politics into other states like North Carolina, we know, because of politics. We know because he wants to run for President again in 2028.

    Only after reporting broke that he was ignoring their calls did he finally pick up the phone to President Biden yesterday. Cutting against his previous attacks on the federal government about Helene, DeSantis told Brian Kilmeade "yes, all of our requests [to the federal government] have been answered."

    Expect more partisan antics from Desantis after the Milton comes through tomorrow and leaves around Thursday.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You said it was on CNN, I had to track down the article. Then it turned out to only be 6% and it's fair to assume a reasonable proportion of those were voters that never intended to vote for Harris. Dumping a quote without an opinion is as bad IMHO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


     and because he didn't want to be fact checked.

    Worth noting 60 Minutes all but called this excuse steaming horse manure by replying that "we fact check all of our stories" - this should have come as zero surprise to the Trump campaign - after all he did an interview with them last cycle, and the cycle before that:

    But, unfortunately, last week, Trump canceled. The Trump campaign had told us that the interview would be this past Thursday at Mar-a-Lago. They also asked us whether we would meet 78-year-old Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania, where he was grazed in an assassination attempt. We agreed. On September 9th, Trump’s Communications Director Steven Cheung sent a text that said, quote, “I’m working with our advance team to see logistically if Butler would work in addition to the sit-down.” ‘Sit-down’ meaning the interview in Florida.

    Days later, Cheung called to say, quote, “The president said, ‘Yes.'” Then, a week ago, Trump backed out. The campaign offered shifting explanations. First, it complained that we would fact-check the interview. We fact-check every story. Later, Trump said he needed an apology for his interview in 2020. Trump claims correspondent Lesley Stahl said in that interview that Hunter Biden’s controversial laptop came from Russia. She never said that.

    Trump has said his opponent doesn’t do interviews because she can’t handle them. He had previously declined another debate with Harris. So, tonight may have been the largest audience for the candidates between now and election day. Our questions addressed the economy, immigration, reproductive rights, and the wars in the Middle East and Europe. Both campaigns understood this special would go ahead if either candidate backed out.

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/scott-pelley-reveals-trump-campaign-demanded-apology-and-complained-about-fact-checking-before-canceling-60-minutes-interview/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    In another October Surprise, award winning journalist Bob Woodward reveals Trump has had "as many as seven" private phone calls since Trump since he left the White House

    https://www.mediaite.com/news/trump-and-putin-have-had-as-many-as-seven-private-phone-calls-since-trump-left-the-white-house-per-bob-woodwards-new-book/

    Woodward wrote that a former Trump aide recounted being told to leave a room so Trump “could have what he said was a private phone call with Russian President Vladimir Putin.” Woodward adds: “According to Trump’s aide, there have been multiple phone calls between Trump and Putin, maybe as many as seven in the period since Trump left the White House in 2021.”

    Woodward in his new book, out October 15th, also details in verbatim detail a phone call Trump had while he was President in 2020 confirming Trump sent Vladimir Putin Covid testing equipment in the middle of the pandemic. It was public knowledge there was an exchange of aid between the countries during 2020, but this is the first time it's being revealed Trump sent Putin aid for his personal use:

    In 2020, Woodward writes, Trump had “secretly sent Putin a bunch of Abbott Point of Care Covid test machines for his personal use.”

    During the height of the pandemic, Russia and the United States did exchange medical equipment such as ventilators. But Putin — who infamously isolated himself over fears of Covid — told Trump on a phone call to keep the delivery of the Abbott machines quiet, Woodward reports.

    “Please don’t tell anybody you sent these to me,” Putin said to Trump, according to Woodward.

    “I don’t care,” Trump replied. “Fine.”

    “No, no,” Putin said. “I don’t want you to tell anybody because people will get mad at you, not me. They don’t care about me.”

    Again, this will mean nothing to his base, but to swing voters, independents, and most normal right wingers with a healthy distrust of Russia, this is damning. If any Democratic leader had been found doing something like this there would be calls to have them punished for high treason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,023 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    It's increased by 100% since the last survey. If you're suggesting they polled mainly Trump voters it's proably even worse news for Kamala as they would have held that view historically, so the increase came from the small amount of democrats and swing voters they polled to get the low number.

    My point was CNN doesn't seem to be as all in on Kamal as they were on Hillary, the tone is different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Not suggesting that at all, it's 6% so it's an incredibly low number so it's reasonable to assume a pretty large proportion of those using that term are Trump supporters. It's not the gotcha you think it is. Both misinformation and liar also tend upwards for Trump in the same stats. Plus negative connotations still tend to have a greater association with Trump. Overall though, I don't think that polling is particularly exciting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Business Insider reports that a porn industry group is paying to run ads on porn websites in the swing states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada. The group called Hands Off My Porn, or HOMP if you prefer, is calling attention to the fact Trump's Project 2025 has a blueprint for banning porn. That's right we're now in the weird timeline where people spend $100k to put political advertisements on porn websites. To be fair, at least the ads are still porn related, right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,023 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    It might sound low, that's why i'm not a fan of percentages, map it onto people and it's 10 million odd voters. That sentiment inceasing at at a rate of 100% over a few weeks isn't good news for her campaign.

    It matters less for the Trump campaign, he proably can't get any higher across some keywords, it's not possible for him to increase at the same rate any more.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,723 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's a misinterpretation of the information though.

    "lie" has increased , but at the expense of what?

    If "Lie" has replaced "Dumb" , "Not Smart" or "Not Black" (or any of the other stupid things Trump calls her) then it's meaningless in the context of potential impact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,023 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    If it was based on what Trump said, lie wouldn't be up there. That's coming from a perception amoung the public. Her interviews are terrible. I'm surprised word salad isn't up there beside the border.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    So what crazy shyte has the orange cockwomble come out with lately?, I've kinda lost interest, only catching bits here and there.

    And what are his policies?, I don't believe that question has been answered yet.

    Warned and 1 week forum ban applied

    Post edited by Beasty on


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  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Trump supporters don't even care if he lies, don't even register his lies.

    Terrible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It might sound low, that's why i'm not a fan of percentages, map it onto people and it's 10 million odd voters. That sentiment inceasing at at a rate of 100% over a few weeks isn't good news for her campaign.

    That shows up the nearly same way for Trump in the same stack of data - alongside an increase of respondents associating him with "misinformation." Respondents do not associate Harris with misinformation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,023 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    The press seem to associate her with no information. Only wactched a few clips from that 60 minute interview but it was absolute jibberish at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,023 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Elon seem to have taken over that tourch for him, hadn't even heard of Reid Hoffman until today, himself and Tucker seemed pretty confident why he was all in on Kamala, he's afraid Trump will release the Epstein names.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,723 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    There are lots of valid terms that a reasonable person might use to describe Harris in the 60 minutes interview.

    However , jibberish is categorically NOT one of them.

    Compare that to pretty much anything Trump has said recently and tell me which one is "jibberish"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Abortion rights may yet win this for Harris - white women are moving to the left - also interestingly the younger voters remember the “grab her by the $#**¥ “ comment of 2016 when they were teens and that didn’t go down well with them- now’s they’re chance to pay back

    https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/08/white-women-voters-harris-trump



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Droll.

    I watched the whole interview. Maybe you could support your claim with specifics: at what point in the interview, what did she say, that was gibberish? Quote? Timestamp?

    Oh and speaking of things that have gone up nearly 100% in just a few weeks: her support among Republicans.

    https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-support-among-republicans-almost-doubles-nyt-siena-poll-1965611



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And that's coming across as incredibly biased, her interviews have largely gotten positive responses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Not “that” positive - funding seems to be a question she stumbles over and keeps her answer vague - I appreciate she’s a lot to contend with and is on her own considering Trump is essentially doing away with any traditional responsibilities or duties of a presidential candidate like answering policy and funding questions - so any poor answers get highlighted in the media simply because Trump doesn’t give a sh01te about answering them in the first place - maybe she needs a different strategy on her responses to these questions over the coming weeks - fluffing answers or even being honest, probably isn’t helping herself



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,026 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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