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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,723 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    If they don't want to see it implemented , then why write such a massive and detailed document?

    Clearly there are significant elements of the wider GOP that want some if not all of the policies contained in Project 2025 to be implemented so why should people ignore it?

    Because Trump says so now , after he's found out how toxic an issue it is for voters?

    Should we believe him now , but not believe all the other times he praised the authors earlier?

    Should we ignore the fact that JD Vance wrote the foreword?

    Should we ignore the fact that significant numbers of Trumps staff worked on the Document?

    Should we ignore the fact that the Heritage foundation (the group that funded Project 2025) remain massive contributors to the Trump campaign and just believe that they are giving him millions of dollars to NOT deliver the policies that they want?

    They write these "policy documents" every 4 years and for the one they wrote in 2016 , the Trump administration implemented 64% of the suggestions within the 1st year.

    It’s the ninth edition in the “Mandate for Leadership” series, the first of which was published in 1981, during the Reagan administration. According to its authors, earlier editions have had success in influencing government policies.

    The Reagan administration implemented nearly half of the ideas included in the first edition by the end of his first year in office, while the Trump administration embraced nearly 64% of the 2016 edition’s policy solutions after one year,” the Heritage Foundation said in a press release announcing Project 2025.

    Everyone is absolutely 100% correct to be concerned - No "Kool-Aid" needed.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's pretty funny how you are mirroring the responses you receive when you allude to the notion of a deep state or other false conspiracies peddled by Trump.

    But notice how you are just dismissing the connections between Trump and Project 2025, but you don't explain how.

    And notice that how people are providing you with specific examples and reasons for why the connection is actually worrying.

    Compare this to how you Trump supporters can't even explain the most basic facts behind the deep state, like who they are.



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If it was nonsense they wouldn't have spent significant resources producing it. Its what heritage does - produce a roadmap for incoming republican administration - have done since Reagan.

    Your frankly delusional if you don't think it is the future under Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,025 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    It is incredible to see the different standards that apply to every single other politician, save Trump.

    165 pages of a scandal (Jack Smith brief) doesn't make a blip, yet a letter from Comey sunk Hilary Clinton.

    He is given a pass like no other person who has ever took office.

    Biden gets names wrong, the NYT call for him to step down. He mumbles, freezes and talks utter gibberish - nothing.

    He lies every single time he opens his mouth. Walz gets the time he was in China wrong and plenty is made of that.

    He smiles while holding a picture of a hostage, and dances at the Oct 7 ceremony, nothing. Meanwhile, people say "I cannot warm to Harris".

    This applies to him not giving interviews, yet Harris is criticised for taking "soft" interviews.

    He is clearly a very stupid man and manifestly unsuitable for the job, yet Harris, even with her experience in the legal profession and being VP for 4 years, gets her qualifications questioned.

    Every scandal is greeted with a "That's trump alright" and people move on.

    This phenomenon will make it into history books.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Yeah, no.

    Hopefully time won't tell. They'll just rewrite it as Project 2029.

    Honestly though, did you read any of it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    it’s funny the same posters saying Trump will be able to go fully unhinged against “the deep state” because he doesn’t have to worry about re-election if he wins are trying to suggest he won’t adopt project 2025 as a matter of policy because what, he will be too worried about getting re-elected? Cracked position.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,599 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I used to work in a betting shop. Granted, I was merely taking and paying out bets but I know a bit about the industry and I've never seen anything to substantiate the clairvoyant perspicacity some people here attribute to bookmakers.

    Odds, or prices as they're referred to by bookies and punters, serve two purposes. Firstly, they are intended to entice people to bet. Secondly, they minimise the risk of loss for the bookie. The logic for setting them in identical for prices involving goods and services - maximise both profit and sales.

    The likely outcome of this election is only one element of what the odds are. The other is what each firm stands to gain or lose with each outcome. For a rather crude example, let's say the price for Donald Trump to win is 2/1 and that 100% of the bets placed are on him. Let's also say that the real odds are 50:50. If Harris wins in this scenario, the firm takes a massive loss. A lot of them will be hedging their bets by putting on their own bets with competitors.

    In the meantime, they'll want to load at least some cash onto Harris so they'll increase her price slowly. If she was on 5/4 at the start, that might trickle up to 3/2, 7/4, 2/1, 9/4, etc. It mainly depends on what the financial projections are for each scenario. Obviously, current affairs, gaffes, and polling are all factored in but all that really matters is how much the bookie stands to win or lose per outcome.

    Hope this helps.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's simple, it's all about white Christian grudge politics and Trump is the perfect glyth and why he is immune from normal political effects.

    Only with this key does it make sense.

    I have had it said to my face, everything in the past was better and Trump is the past.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    All Trump supporters are aware of the hypocrisy. There's no way that they can't be aware.

    All of the objections about Harris and other democrats are entirely facetious. They want Trump because he will support and aid an anti-democratic, regressive agenda in government. That's it.

    They just don't want to be honest about this because it would look very bad if they were that direct. So they keep finding those things to take issue with other people. Or invent issues. Or outright lie about what Trump says and does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Dingaan


    No, I didn't read it because it's not part of Trump's campaign. It's just a distraction tactic from the Democratic Party to divert attention from their own lack of proposals, and typically the usual suspects lap it up. The below is what Trump said about Project 2025. Case closed!

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,599 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No. He's too deceitful to believe and he's lied many thousands of times. It'd be unwise to believe something just because Donald Trump said it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,375 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    What does that prove exactly?

    Trump is a proven liar. Completely discrediting of your position therefore to cite him as some sort of source and believe him!
    Have you forgotten, recently on this thread, you posted some of Trump's claims about Biden and Governor Kemp and Hurricane relief? Claims which were demonstrably false and publicly refuted by Kemp?
    So Trump is a proven liar, and your have already been duped by Trump's lies.

    And also, how can Trump not know anything about it, and yet agree and disagree with elements of it, demonstrating he knows something about it?
    What are the parts he agrees with?
    Well???

    So already, the liar lies about Project 2025.

    As for him not knowing the people behind it. He does know them. They are his VP, members of his previous administration, people he has political relationships with and likely members of his administration if re-elected.

    So which is it, is Trump a damn fool or a liar or both?
    And what does it say about the credibility of the claims in your posts that you've been repeatedly duped by Trump's lies and dog whistles?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    The first two points in that post are clearly lies. He knows about it, he even comments on the content later in the post. Everyone knows who is behind it. Their names are on it.

    If someone tells two lies in their opening two sentences then why would you trust anything they say?



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He attended the inaugural ceremony at the Heritage foundation for Project 2025 and gave a speech - so there is your absolute proof that he is lying about not knowing anything about Project 2025.

    Your assertion is as hollow as his claim.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,599 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Donald Trump has lied over 30,000 times in 4 years:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/

    The idea that we should just believe everything he says is patently ridiculous.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    the more they flail about rolling natural 1s trying to deny project 2025 the more attention it brings to the fact Trump is married to the hilt of Project 2025.

    Even the very fact they go on about ending “the deep state” - doing so is the first thing you read on project 2025’s own web page:

    Project 2025 is a historic movement, brought together by over 100 respected organizations from across the conservative movement, to take down the Deep State and return the government to the people. Its Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise, published in April 2023, is a product of more than 400 scholars and policy experts from around the country. The book offers a menu of policy suggestions to meet our country’s deepest challenges and put America back on track, including:

    • Secure the border, finish building the wall, and deport illegal aliens

    • De-weaponize the Federal Government by increasing accountability and oversight of the FBI and DOJ

    • Unleash American energy production to reduce energy prices

    • Cut the growth of government spending to reduce inflation

    • Make federal bureaucrats more accountable to the democratically elected President and Congress

    • Improve education by moving control and funding of education from DC bureaucrats directly to parents and state and local governments

    Ban biological males from competing in women' s sports

    which are all word for word openly stated positions of the Trump campaign. Fact check it. Google is your friend after all.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,599 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    So he knows NOTHING about project 2025, but in the same sentence he DISAGREES with some points mentioned in the project.

    So explain ... How can you disagree with something you know nothing about? ...

    Plus maybe watch the below before saying with 100% accuracy Trump doesn't know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Thanks for being honest. I strongly suggest you do read it.

    It wasn't written by The Democrat Party, it was written by people very close to Trump.

    Like, look at the tweet you shared, break it down...

    "I know nothing about Project 2025"

    This man wants to be leader of "The free world" and he is proclaiming he knows nothing about a highly decisive document. He's claiming ignorance as to what it contains.

    "I have no idea who is behind it"

    Again if you are to believe him, he is claiming ignorance as to who is behind it. That is not a good look for a President. Would even a normal person who is accused of being behind such a decisive document not get off their a*se and find out who wrote it?

    KELLY: Well, and Trump, as we said, keeps trying to distance himself. Why has that not worked?

    ORDOÑEZ: Yeah. I mean, he said a few times that he knows nothing about it and that he disagrees with what's inside it. I mean, he even touted the project's demise when one of the main top editors stepped down. But really, the work was already done, and those involved are made up of loyalists and allies and former Trump officials. And look, even two years ago, Trump was at a Heritage event, and he told the group that their work was going to be essential going forward.

    KELLY: So Trump keeps distancing himself. Has it worked? Are people buying it?

    ORDOÑEZ: Well, I mean, it is true that this is not Trump's plan, but it is a plan for Trump. I mean, one way I look at it is it's taking Trump's policy goals - the one he talks about on the stump all the time - and creates a legal roadmap to execute them.

    Source:

    https://www.npr.org/2024/09/05/nx-s1-5099253/project-2025-was-made-by-loyalists-and-allies-of-trump-hes-tried-to-distance-himself

    One of the authors of Project 2025 claimed former President Donald Trump has “blessed” the project and is “very supportive of what we do,” according to a secret recording released Thursday—the latest report tying Trump to Project 2025 even as the ex-president has publicly disavowed it.

    Source:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/08/15/what-we-know-about-trumps-link-to-project-2025-as-author-claims-ex-president-blessed-it-in-secret-recording/

    A list of people who worked for him, involved in the project:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/trump-allies-project-2025/index.html

    This is one of those, if it looks like a cow, moves like a cow and moo's like a cow it's safe to say, it's probably a cow.

    "I disagree with some of the things they're saying and some of the things they are saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal"

    Okay. Riddle me this…

    HOW?!

    He just said he knows nothing about it, yet he can say he disagree with aspects. How does he know? Do you realise how weird this is?

    Also, he's never gone on record to say which parts he disagrees with (of course he can't, if he's never read it…)

    "Anything they do, I wish them luck"

    WHAT?! He just said some of the things they say are ridiculous and abysmal. What if they're the things they do?!

    "But I have nothing to do with them"

    Honestly, if you truly believe this… the only thing I can say is:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    US intelligence seeing evidence that Russia China Iran etc. are gearing up to sow denials about the outcome of the 2024 election

    https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/foreign-adversaries-will-try-cast-doubt-election-results-nov-5-rcna174423

    … which seems to imply that even these countries know Trump is in for a big loss next month.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,723 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Every GOP led Administration has followed the policy guidelines published by the Heritage foundation very closely in the 40+ years since they first started doing it.

    Trump implemented 64% of their policy positions in his term in Office , but apparently NOW he knows nothing about it and knows nothing about the people behind it , even though most of them worked for him or are currently actively involved in his campaign??

    Yeah.. That seem legit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Two politicians are debating. One says "You are lying". The other one says "Yes I am, but hear me out!".

    Thats what we are down to when talking about the election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    It's also, "You are lying"

    "I am not lying. It's a possibility. Everything is a possibility"



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,723 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    "I'm telling a story to make a point about something that isn't happening , but we'd like people to think it's happening so they get angry and excited and end up voting for us so we can continue to grind them to dust so our donors can make Bank!!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    It is "I have no knowledge of this lie, or who said it, and I disagree with some of what was said in the lie".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,606 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I'm thinking ahead to a best case scenario of a Trump loss next month, and wonder a bit about what would become of the mindset of people who look at one of Trump's lies, present it as truth and then declare "Case Closed" on the back of that. I suspect there may be many in MAGAworld who have this locked mindset.

    I guess it must all depend on the fate of Donnie himself, and how accessable his written bile will be for the remaining MAGA faithful. Truth Social could possibly disintergrate following an election loss, but Twitter would likely continue as the echo-chamber of choice for far right wind-bags, such as Donnie himself. So in a situation where he continues to "share" his "knowledge", some MAGA folk might be stuck in this mindset for the forseeable.

    Alternativly, Donnie might soon stop communicating. Be it through "exile" to escape the legal cases waiting for him on the other side of November, or because of actual prison time, or because nature has called time on his moral coil. The result would be that MAGA folk would either find a replacement windbag to tell them what to think or start to think for themselves again. Perhaps in that more optimistic case, these people may return to the rest of humanity, where truth has some value.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


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    that should be a vote winner….

    Warned and 1 day forum ban applied

    Post edited by Beasty on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    Add the fact that he is mentioned over 300 times in the project 2025 draft



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,723 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Was that before or after the Oct 7th anniversary event where he offered to Autograph the prayer book that the Rabbi beside him had??



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