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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    My sister works in a school, she and she says most of the staff are bewildered that other schools cannot enforce the rules as laid down.

    As she says, 'no child would take out a cigarette and light up or vape because they know the rules…same for phones'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Louise O'Reilly is a former trade union official. There are many trade union officials with political games to play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I am sure that you share her bewilderment. However, unfortunately, life isn't as good in some places as in the wilds of Monaghan.

    This story has died a death because the opinion on the ground is in favour among teachers and parents. It has fallen off the outrage bandwagon because SF have slipped back into the shadows under the rocks to hide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c625ng2xj9lo

    "DUP MLA Jonathan Buckley said last week's "disturbing developments" raised questions about Mr McMonagle's access to Stormont's parliamentary buildings and whether the assembly's safeguarding policy had been compromised."

    Serious questions now being asked about Sinn Fein's compliance with the Assembly's safeguarding policy. How much longer can MON cling on in the face of repeated climbdowns, retraction and lies?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Motion is tabled for tomorrow.
    Will be back in the news I'm sure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    She has just dealt with that in the assembly.
    Yes she did employ him, all on the public record.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,887 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    So she had directly employed him in the recent past, but still expects people to believe that she didn't see him in the below picture……….

    You'd want to be drowning in the party Kool-Aid to believe her on that claim.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    This isn't going to go away anytime soon.

    Quite the opposite in fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Why didn't she deal with that last week?

    It is not credible that she didn't see him that time in Stormont.

    There are some we know who will believe her. They believe every woman who has been a member of Sinn Fein (except Mairia Cahill). MON's credibility is shot. Wonder will a move be made against her?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    For someone supposedly under pressure she was calm and very assured in the Assembly.

    Answered any question asked of her.
    Of course we will get the 'she didn't answer questions' which is more of the usual 'they aren't the answers we want' objections.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Why didn't she deal with that last week?

    When she was asked she answered immediately that that was correct.
    The question didn't go anywhere. Not sure what the big deal is, he was employed by SF as a press officer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    "Michelle O'Neill says Sinn Féin's ex-HR manager remains a member of the party. She reveals that person - contacted by the BHF last year to query SF officials' references for McMonagle - had been personally involved in his suspension."

    Just saw this online. The HR Manager, the centre of culture in an organisation, saw nothing wrong with a reference being given for McMonagle. That really says it all about how rotten that political party is to the core. MON being calm and assured was showing no shame for the harmful acts of her party, no shame for the way that Conor Murphy lied to the public, no shame for her own lies about the BHF. I wouldn't call that calm and assured, I would call it brazen, arrogant and condescending to the public. But I am not standing in the pile of sh!te that is supporting Sinn Fein looking around me at all the other sh!te and thinking that everything is normal when it is really sh!te.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    And what Sam McBride and others on Twitter won't report is that she also said she was not at liberty to talk too much about that as there is an ongoing process in motion around that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/michelle-oneill-directly-employed-michael-mcmonagle-as-part-of-assembly-staff/a1770911722.html?

    "It has been confirmed four Sinn Fein MLAs employed him at various times over the past decade."

    He wasn't some low-level nonentity, he held a number of prominent positions around the party and given access to a lot of people. His disappearance would have generated a lot of talk.

    The stories from Sinn Fein just aren't adding up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobody has said they didn't know about it. Or that SF employed him.

    You made this up earlier

    'It beggars belief that MLMD and MON knew nothing about this case'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Robust statement from MLMD. This is what you want to see from a leader. Take action when someone does wrong or admits wrongdoing. Accept that there are issues and sort the issues in protocols and procedure out.

    I think those genuinely concerned about child safety will want the whole issue looked at the same way.
    Because the fact is, this could happen again the way it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭pureza


    Isn't the issue for Sinn Féin mainly one of credibility,I mean who on earth could believe Michelle o'Neill that she didnt see yer man in Stormont ?

    Can you get away with that level of slipperyness in politics,if your party is yearning to replace those it's forever suggesting are slippery?

    The problem as I see it is,the perception given is there is an air of protect your own from the long arm of the RUC untill the last possible minute when you are found out,Is that really the culture you want entering government?

    When will Belfast cop itself on and direct the Árd Chomhairle to root out the weeds and nip any more possible reputational damage in the bud

    Mary Lou's eventual statement today,the delay in getting it out and the obvious stated in it, just looks too little too late and isnt that typical of the problem protecting your own creates,instead of lancing the boils from the get go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,768 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Why wasn't this action taken over the other recent cases of sexual abuse by SF members? Why should it be believed this time? Because there's an election soon?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭standardg60


    As again shown on RTE, it wasn't a photograph of MoN with mcmonagle at Stormont, it was a still from a video of the interaction. It's clearly impossible that she didn't see him.

    RTE seems to be drip feeding the footage, more tonight, I wonder if they have footage of a face to face interaction between them?

    Knowledge is learning something, wisdom is learning from it, intelligence thought of it first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I think MLMD allowed MoN stand in the Assembly first for good reason. She’d be accused of undermining the First Minister had she gone earlier.
    I said earlier that if MoN or MlMD had done anything wrong to aid McMonagle they needed to go. And that the failures of protocols and processes needed to be addressed.
    Good to see her recognise that party processes failed and need fixing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭Allinall


    She's coming up on the Pat Kenny Show on Newstalk.

    She will play the "Let me be very clear" card a few times, as she obfuscates her way through the interview.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Compare and contrast to other parties with admitted 'wrongdoers' among them. Was a full review of how things are done within those parties announced with the implicit acceptance that the way things are done are not right?

    Whatever you think of MLMD she has taken responsibility here for failings and is taking action.

    I see Nuala McAllister of the Alliance now talking about a review of how the whole safeguarding apparatus works and the need to also review that, to ensure this cannot happen again. Because AFAICS it could quite easily happen again. AccessNI and the UK system only operates for 'regulated positions' which a Press Officer doesn't belong to. To me that is a dangerous gap if child safety is your concern.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,065 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    What a ridiculous question. Simon Coveney's brother is hiding like a coward from his involvement in the RTE/Ryan Tubridy scandal last year. Barry Cowen, brother of Brian Cowen, a man whose complete incompetence went a long way to bankrupting the country. Are FFG going to get rid of either of those two. Of course they're not!

    We know NT and RTE don't like SF. NT breakfast for example had a very balanced and unbiased debate this morning with the leader of the SDLP on the issue… I use the words "balanced" and "unbiased" very very lightly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭pureza


    How can you be balanced about agregious child sex abuse facilitating ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    This is laughable. Let's have a big cover-up is MLMD's message. Let's sweep this under the carpet.

    I wonder will MON "step aside" for the duration of the enquiry if there is a public enquiry into the spending of public money on employing McMonagle while he had been arrested for child sex offences?

    The only way to get to the root of this problem is to appoint a retired judge to independently investigate Sinn Fein.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    MLMD hasn't taken responsibility, she is still in position.

    Which other political party repeatedly facilitated a child sex abuser getting a job working with children? It happened first with Liam Adams, and then subsequently, with McMonagle. That isn't simple "wrongdoing" to be solved with an in-house review.

    MLMD will be laughed out of the Dail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Your trivialisation of the facilitation of a child sex abuser working with children by comparing it to the RTE financial issues is disgusting at a level far below any other post on this issue.

    The repeated failures of Sinn Fein in relation to child protection issues are beyond the pale. We were told by MLMD after the Mairia Cahill expose that Sinn Fein had the highest standard child protection protocols already in place. Now she is telling us that they don't.

    On those grounds alone, no decent person could give them a preference in the next election. These are not historical issues, these are here and now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady



     Let's have a big cover-up is MLMD's message.

    Independent inquiries can't be announced by single parties. All responsible political parties can do is accept that there have been failings and take action within their own parties.

    As well as taking immediate action against the perp and those who wrote the references that's strong leadership and as Alex Kane observed to a disappointed Nolan, this robust action will likely bring this to a close politically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Of course independent inquiries can't be announced by single parties. Sinn Fein could show that they are better than anyone else by opening up their records for inspection to an independent retired High Court Judge who could do a report for them. Nothing to stop that.

    However, I don't think it will get to that, as MON could well be a goner and a full enquiry could take place:

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/sinn-fein-appear-to-have-broken-assembly-rules-when-paying-former-press-officer-michael-mcmonagle/a842295336.html

    "Party used fund which explicitly ring-fenced to help constituents and not the party in order to fund spin-doctor who turned out to be a paedophile."

    As the man was suspended, the use of the fund to employ him would have been incompatible with the purpose of the fund. Another revelation that was omitted from MON's speech and MLMD's statement. They have repeatedly concealed the truth.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The protocols were ignored here blanch. The leadership were not informed by two press officers about what they were doing.
    You have to ensure when there are failings in your party that you action them to ensure they cannot happen again. When somebody does the wrong thing or admits wrongdoing you action it and sanction it. You don't dig the heels in, defend it and claim that no wrong was done.




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