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Amazon WFH Policy

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,572 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    The rationale for a company defining their workplace regulations are not important. ie it doesnt matter why a company wants all employees back in the office. Ultimately it means that all employees will be back in the office and WFH is no longer an optiin in that company.

    If all employers head in this direction the amount of jobs available that have WFH will be limited and the options to move jobs are further reduced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭twin_beacon


    the key word being IF. why would they, when its been proven to work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,532 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    you are typical of someone who has worked in one speciality and thinks that their reality is all reality. I have both worked in an insolvency practice and implemented a headcount reduction program where we reduced headcount by 20 percent in a business , I know exactly how we identified where headcount was to be cut and the employees salary was way down the list.

    Anyway enough of your attempted condescension, I’ll leave you go write some code from home safe in the knowledge that you know it all :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    you are typical of someone who has worked in one speciality and thinks that their reality is all reality. I have both worked in an insolvency practice and implemented a headcount reduction program where we reduced headcount by 20 percent in a business , I know exactly how we identified where headcount was to be cut and the employees salary was way down the list.

    Hmmmm, let me see, I have worked across half a dozen industries now at this stage, I've seen commonalities across the lot when it comes to how business are run and how layoffs are conducted. Everyone, and I mean everyone, is expendable in every private sector job, wether that be high performing, senior, principle, all of it. No one is ever really safe or assured of anything. If you think that if you just put in that extra effort, you will be safe, I have a bridge to sell you.

    Anyway enough of your attempted condescension, I’ll leave you go write some code from home safe in the knowledge that you know it all :D

    Where did I mention that I write code? I think you need a cup of tea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,657 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Got love how the twitter did it...

    "...Some of those who are being asked to return were laid off by mistake. Others were let go before management realized that their work and experience may be necessary.."

    https://www.reuters.com/technology/twitter-asks-some-laid-off-workers-come-back-bloomberg-news-2022-11-06/

    Amazon are also doing similar, here just bringing everyone back a sweeping decision. Blunt force.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,532 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    it is becoming apparent why you have so much experience of layoffs in multiple industries at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I never said I was the one laid off, did I? 😉

    That is also a pretty repulsive thing to say to someone. Nice work there.

    Doesn't say much about your argument that you have to revert to insults like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,532 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Is that the fall back when you can tackle the argument now? Oh dear. Keep working hard buddy 😘



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,532 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Yeah that sentence makes no sense, good work 😘



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,572 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    There are obviously organisations out there that don't believe it is better for their business - and this list is being added to weekly. Whether it is or not, again, isn't really relevant as ultimately the employer decides to set the terms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭Dr.Tom


    And just to tag onto that…..

    I have also seen well capable intelligent guys not get promoted because they wouldn't look well representing the Irish site when the US visitors called.

    Say it like it is type fellas who wanted the work done and called out those whom werent pulling their weight. Not very PC these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 thegreenapple


    It's funny reading this as I look to leave to civil service to the American tech sector to be appreciated more and have better prospects



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭twin_beacon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭twin_beacon


    yes, but I am specifically talking about Amazon and other tech companies, most of which will have offices all over the world, and will have employees of single departments spread out over their global offices, where it is impossible for the whole department to work under a single roof or time zone.
    Yes of course it up to the employer to set the terms, I am not disputing that at all, what I am disputing is the reason why Amazon have decided to go back to the office 5 days a week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,532 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,467 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Civil service will be lower paid, but easier work, defined hours, and no risk of being laid off. Fintech private sector is the exact opposite



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,532 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Better prospects yes, appreciation? not sure about that, depends on how you define appreciation, if its pay then yes when things are going well you well be appreciated.

    Also if pretending to care about diversity, employee welfare and pool tables and consoles are your thing youll enjoy it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    You’re right. When someone tries to switch from the actual topic to attacking a person, shows their arguments don’t hold much weight. I feel sorry for them…almost.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,793 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Some of ye seem to think that all that matters is to get the job done and targets met.

    Unfortunately there are very few piece rate contracts. Almost all of us are contracted to work for your employer for N hours per day. That means if you get your work done quicker from home, you need to be asking for more work to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,532 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    there is no argument Frank, you are spouting rubbish for the most part, but you believe it so i can't really help you out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Some of ye seem to think that all that matters is to get the job done and targets met.

    Yes, that is all that matters, simple as that.

    You are naive if you think otherwise, or you are still in this master/slave relationship. Do you think that or staying late is what matters, going the extra mile? People who work more than what is needed are rewarded with more work, not money. Once you do that you are just making the company more money for it's shareholders.

    Unfortunately there are very few piece rate contracts. Almost all of us are contracted to work for your employer for N hours per day. That means if you get your work done quicker from home, you need to be asking for more work to do.

    Complete horse. If you get your work done quicker, you are doing your job. It is up to the company to give you the appropriate amount of work to do, whether that be at home or in an office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Of course I am, you aren't able to actually dress any of this "rubbish" and you just reverted to attacks on the person, not the argument. That's a bit weak.

    Better prospects yes, appreciation? not sure about that, depends on how you define appreciation, if its pay then yes when things are going well you well be appreciated.

    Also if pretending to care about diversity, employee welfare and pool tables and consoles are your thing youll enjoy it!

    Sounds like you have a bit of a bee in your bonnet with tech companies over all. Weird.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,266 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    On the one hand I don't see how they get the genie back in the bottle. There's people in companies all over the world that have never know anything other than hybrid working.

    On the other hand a lot of people want more hybrid/more wfh days. More leeway etc.

    Like a drug, some people aren't satisfied with just a taste. They want the whole bag.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,532 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    I'm just relaying my experiences, full of virtue signallers.

    How would I dress your rubbish? You think you think based on your experience you somehow think that that makes it fact. Am I going to change your mind? Unlikely, doesn't make it right though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I'm just relaying my experiences, full of virtue signallers.

    The penny drops. It is all their fault, not yours.

    How would I dress your rubbish? You think you think based on your experience you somehow think that that makes it fact. Am I going to change your mind? Unlikely, doesn't make it right though.

    I will try to understand this. I am an expert in my own experiences, we all are for that fact. You are using generalisations to make yours, I am not. All those "virtue signallers" must have left a mark on you.

    I am not looking for you to change my mind, just reverting to calling it "rubbish" and having a little dig kinda shows you haven't got any substance at all to back up what you are even trying to say.

    Best leave it there, I can see you don't like those big tech companies and all their money, those pesky virtue signallers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,532 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    I think you need to feel like you had a little win today in an internet argument frank so tell you what I'll leave you to it, I think you need it more than me.

    As for virtue signallers leaving a mark on me? I suppose they did I wouldn't willingly go back into that environment, and luckily for me there's a lot more money outside of it and you don't need to put your preferred pronouns on your email signature so it's a win win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I think you need to feel like you had a little win today in an internet argument frank so tell you what I'll leave you to it, I think you need it more than me.

    So kind of you.

    As for virtue signallers leaving a mark on me? I suppose they did I wouldn't willingly go back into that environment, and luckily for me there's a lot more money outside of it and you don't need to put your preferred pronouns on your email signature so it's a win win.

    It seems they did, make sure you point to where they touched you on the chart when they ask. Pronouns in emails…the world has gone mad, hasn't it? Something tells me you wouldn't fit in well in that environment, so for everyone involved, let's hope you steer clear.

    Take care now.

    Frank Bullitt (He/Him)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,793 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    You'd be whinging about micromanagement if management tried to collect the data to do that!



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