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New bus gates on Bachelors Walk and Aston Quay

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    Now lets make it 24 hours and be done with it. It's actually annoying that at 7pm you have these motorists back clogging up the street, when for the previous 12 hours during shopping hours successfully made their journeys to their destination while thousands and thousands benefited from a much better public realm and movement of public transport.

    It would also be good to see the footpath on the building side at Bachelors Walk widened.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,990 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I've never understood time limited bus lanes, either 24 hours or nothing. I hear arguments about not needing them as traffic is quieter outside those hours, then why change if that is the case.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It'll happen, like it always happens.

    It's a massive argument for just running trial periods on these proposals without all the incredibly faff behind them. If they work keep them and expand them, if they don't just reverse them. The planning phase is too filled with doom-mongering nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    I've heard people arguing that businesses on Capel Street have closed or are doing much lower trade due to the pedestrianisation. I wonder if there's any truth to this as it would give them more ammo to not go through with the full plans.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Zero truth to it, the street is thriving since the pedestrianisation. Of course some business have closed, but new ones have opened up in their place.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    That's good to hear. It's not an area I frequent so I couldn't very well refute their claims!

    Hopefully the quieter quays will lead to more outdoor dining type retail opening up. There were practically no cars from the Ha'penny bridge to O'Connell Street this morning when I cycled in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭Daith


    Which is why the original plan of having cars turn left to Jervis and making the restrictions 24/7, would have allowed the pedestrian areas to be widened and more space for outdoor.

    The current arrangements will probably be revised in two or three years back to the original plan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is only a matter of time before someone getting off one of the buses has an accident because of the overcrowded paths, and the Council will have to implement the original plan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,659 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    If the technology in TM's post above is available, why could it not be adapted for blue badge holders?

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    It would mean a blue badge would need to be registered to a vehicle licence plate, iin addition to a disabled person, which would mean a change to how disability badges are issued - but it could be workable.

    (Added bonus would be a reduction in abuse of parking in disability spaces).

    From: Clear Lanes Program | ddot (dc.gov) (where that image is from)

    Authorized vehicles include the following:

    • Accessible transportation service vehicles (wheelchair-accessible vehicles registered with a government agency or with the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Commission that are actively transporting someone with a disability)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭Daith


    Well my question was more around is that all the organizations are asking for? Is there nothing else about transport, public or otherwise, that's a concern.

    Though I'm generally against cars in bus corridors anyway, but if the blue badge is to be expanded beyond parking, it's entirely doable to have them register and be allowed.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Out of curiosity, is this something that is being sought after by many other disability groups or just one that someone earlier suggested might be a front for something else?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,659 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I don't know all the details of what they are seeking.

    It's just something I thought of when I saw the technology was available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,616 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Is the official name for the "blue badge" not the "Disabled Person's Parking Card". Does it actually allow for anything other than parking currently ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,659 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Just for parking in Ireland, as far as I know. Not sure about other countries.

    Can't think of any reason why it's uses couldn't be expanded though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,616 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Not sure why it needs to be.

    Also your license plate system doesn't work because the badge is portable. A badge holder can use it in any car they are the passenger of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭Patser


    I've a feeling last night though, showed a big consequence of pushing traffic elsewhere and hoping for the best.

    With colleges back and a rainy evening, traffic was always going to be bad, but around the South if the City, things ground to a near halt - especially in area between Pearse St and Leeson St. Monitoring PSO bus services in the area and from the 16.15 133 service Dublin to Wicklow (and for the next 2 hours of departures) - it took those services over an additional 1 hour to get as far as the ole Burlington. NX services to and from Wilton suffered long delays in both directions just in that area.

    The issue, in my opinion, is that you had Mama Mia on in the 3 Arena and Hamilton in BGE, so anyone driving in from the west of Dublin, could not use the Quays as normal, and instead would have to come around South of City to get to those Arenas. Unless they preferred to travel all way around M50 at rush hour to use Port Tunnel and pay 2 tolls.

    Traffic towards Samuel Beckett bridge and Butt Bridge was especially bad, and the tail backs blocked up Pearse St, around Merrion Sq and up to Baggot St.

    So while public transport at O'Connell Bridge may be benefiting, there has to be thought given to knock on effects.

    Edit - just to add, be curious with same weather and events on, does it all happen again this evening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,659 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    No reason I can think of why the current system couldn't be expanded, with a little thinking outside the box.

    A blue badge holder could nominate one specific vehicle (or up to two, or none if they don't need it) to be registered for such journeys.

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    It's not rocket science, and the technology is available.

    Unless you're just totally opposed to giving blue badge holder any access, at all.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,890 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    The issue is people driving in from the west should be parking up and jumping on the Luas/bus. The notion of being able to drive through the city centre needs to be done away with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,616 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    There are 60,000 blue badges in Ireland so nominating 2 cars who now have access to all bus lanes even when the driver isn't in the car is not something I would be for no. Maybe you could make the badge similar to the toll tag but that would involve cameras on every bus lane. The technology isn't as "available" as you claim.

    I think groups like the dubious one involved use blue badges because it invokes images of severely disabled wheelchair bound people but I know a fair few old people who have them and have no more right to a bus lane than any of the rest of us.

    Maybe they could do the old style parking badge for some and a different badge for people with severe disabilities but even then why do they need access to the bus lanes ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,097 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    I know someone who has one of those badges due to a disability with her husband.

    Her husband passed away decades ago tho. 🙄



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,659 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Not all 60,000 blue badge holders live in Dublin, so I take it you're just totally opposed to giving disabled drivers access then. Okay. Understood.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I agree, in comparison to places abroad, our public transport is much more accessible, with wheelchair-friendly buses, accessible trams etc. In London, most of the stations on the tube are not accessible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,616 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    She has or he had ?

    It would be in the name of the dead person and they have to be renewed every few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Bord Gais is walking distance from both Grand Canal Dock and Docklands stations, why are people driving?

    The Luas terminates at the Point.

    No reason for anyone to drive to either of those.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,097 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Not sure the ins and outs of it, just told she has one from his days of bad health.

    She’s no health issues so no need to have one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,659 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Highly unlikely she has had it for "decades" when it has to be renewed every two years, with a new photo of the holder submitted with the renewal application.

    But that's for another thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,616 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ya I am unless someone can explain why it's needed.

    Oh god I'm such a terrible person for questioning disabled people. Oh the shame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,616 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Could be just thrown it on the dashboard in the hopes it's never checked. It's got a big expiry year on it though so she could also be telling a bit of a lie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭Daith


    Well I find it a bit perplexing that in exchange for restricted car access across O'Connell Bridge, we should allow private car owners access to bus corridors and bus lanes.

    And more perplexing that these organizations don't seem to have any issues currently with public transport or pedestrian area access for people with disabilities.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,659 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Public transport is not accessible for all disabled people. I find its always people who are not disabled who think it is so great and so easily accessible.

    But I got my answer to my question, so thanks. Disappointing, but pretty much as I should have expected. God forbid, disabled drivers in Dublin might hold up a bus or two.

    Thanks again.



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