Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

One thing about the US is that being a criminal does not disbar you from running for the presidency. I thought it was strange that that could be possible, that a convicted felon could run for election to the highest office in the land, the one supposedly requiring one to have the highest standard for public office. Well, this past few months have confirmed that to be a fact in established practice, not just something written into a much abused constitution whose wording is consistently twisted about by the last office holder for his own preferences.

I'd have thought that it would have been the solid wish of US parents, male and female, to have turned heaven and earth to protect their children from rapists but the last 8 years have proven me wrong and it's all down to adult partisan politics. No passing the buck here where it comes to Trump being elected, the finger of blame will point at the GOP voter electing a person convicted of rape over guardianship of the nation and its children. The knowledge they had of his character flaws they deliberately ignored back then and looks like they will do so again this year.

I admired, once, that every person in the US could run for public office as a sign, a standard even, of it's democracy. Not now. That standard has been trashed by Trump and his gang, made a joke of it. I thought the vote was the greatest gift a nation could give its citizens, to elect some-one the nation could trust in but the GOP, in electing Trump, kicked it into the gutter. Even now he is trying to stop the citizens from retrieving it from the gutter, he despises and fears them that much.

Trumps boast was that he would drain the swamp in Washington. He never achieved even that, probably never intended to, despite all the power he and the GOP had. Instead his arrival there brought the strangest creatures from the deep into Washington, deep into the heart of US government, on the hill and into the courts, destroying the very thing the people had imagined they elected him to preserve, the nation.

The problem is not with people holding a different opinion.

The problem is that it's tough to find Trump supporters or even our friends from the far centre who aren't posting misinformation and bad faith arguments to explain why they support Trump and/or are against Harris.

Are there many reasonable arguments to explain why one would support a man who attempted to overturn the 2020 result, deliberately undermining faith in the electoral process, despite no evidence? Despite it being thrown out of every court? Not sure there is.

There is maybe an argument in favour of Trump, with respect to the above, in terms of a "burn it all down and make the little libs cry", although maybe you wouldn't call that an argument so much as a reactionary gut feeling.

The whole Jan 6th was nothing but a riot which got out of hand, it was anything but a coup, think they would've brought their guns if that was the case. Would never happen in a republic like the US btw, we all know that.

Just like the whole Project 25 BS that's thrown about, not like that could ever happen and the Dems know that, which is surprising to see them accuse Trump of conspiracy theories yet float such nonsense.

The whole race is going to come down to 3 issues imho

Economy/Inflation

Abortion

Immigration

2 of those he leads on which will be the deciding factor, but anything can happen.

They did bring their guns, you're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

Page 58 of the Final Report of the January 6 Select Committee:

Stewart Rhodes, the Oath Keepers’ founder, felt that “the time for peaceful protest is over” after December 19th and, according to the government, “urged President Trump to use military force to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power, describing January 6, 2021, as “a hard constitutional deadline” to do so.343 Rhodes created a “an invitation-only Signal group chat titled, ‘DC OP: Jan 6 21’” on December 30, 2020, which he and other Oath Keepers, like Meggs and James, used to plan for January6th, including by creating a “quick reaction force” of firearms to be stashed in Virginia.344

p.59

Between December 19th and January 6th, Hostetter, Taylor, and other members of the California Patriots–DC Brigade exchanged messages and posted to social media about bringing gear, including “weaponry,” like “hatchet[s],” “bat[s],” or “[l]arge metal flashlights,” and possibly “firearms,” and, about being “ready and willing to fight” like it was “1776.”Taylor even spoke in front of the Supreme Court on January 5, 2021,explaining that “[p]atriots” would “not return to our peaceful way of life until this election is made right . . . .”351 On December 29, 2020, Taylor exclaimed “I personally want to be on the front steps and be one of the first ones to breach the doors!”352

p.63

The Secret Service learned from the FBI on January 5th about rightwing groups establishing armed quick reaction forces in Virginia, where they could amass firearms illegal in DC397 Trump supporters staged there waiting across the river “to respond to ‘calls for help.’”398 The Oath Keepers were such a group.399

p.68

Others brought firearms. Three men in fatigues from Broward County, Florida brandished AR-15s in front of Metropolitan police officers on 14thStreet and Independence Avenue on the morning of January 6th.422 MPD advised over the radio that one individual was possibly armed with a “Glock” at 14th and Constitution Avenue, and another was possibly armed with a “rifle” at 15th and Constitution Avenue around 11:23 a.m.423 The National Park Service detained an individual with a rifle between 12 and 1p.m.424 Almost all of this was known before Donald Trump took the stage at the Ellipse.

etc.

It was an autocoup attempt aka. self-coup attempt.

You mean like when Trump refers to Harris as Kambala?

It's called a stump speech.

Obviously Trump didnt do or say anything stupid in the last 24 hours (well at least up to midnight Irish time) as when that happens his supporters here disappear for a day or two…

These aren't policies, they are just slogans, and they come across as being aimed at stupid people. There is no detail, just comforting short phrases that don't bear any critical analysis.

As I say, aimed at the stupid. The low-information voter. The ill-educated.

If people are going to regard them as a policy platform, how that reflects on them is their own doing.

reportedly Trump is out in Pennsylvania literally buying people’s votes, handing them cash and paying for their groceries. Could you imagine if the Harris campaign did something like that? We’d never hear the end of it. Even from 2020 there are voters who will tell you they voted for Trump because of the “Trump cheques” that were funded through taxpayer money, which drastically increased inflation.

Oh- and it also happens to reportedly be illegal under 18 Pennylvania Statue § 4701 and 25 PS § 3539 making it a crime to buy someone’s vote. Whoops.

4 years to come to trial - a self presidential pardon in the meantime- that will sort any bribery and corruption charges 😀