Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

Here we go again with the name calling

You're ignoring what you said,you're certainly not denying you said it,with dozens of posts trying to dig your way out of it

How many Ass's do you have ? I'll go get paper plates for them

Maybe have a word with oxford and see if they'll remove the word inevitable ?

I did explain,you flip flopped

Sure it's all there in black and white

You know what a flip flop is yeah? What am I asking,of course you do,you just dont care,that much is obvious from your repetitive digging

While you're down there,when you hit australia,would you ever get me more paper plates for your ass,bring enough,I've lost count of your Ass's,you've been handed so many

The thread is chock full of opinion.

Mine includes the backed up opinion that FF opened the door to coalition with them. This was observed on the election thread here at the time and by all major media. I see leadership change in FF and antipathy to coalition with FG which to many is looking more and more like a merger, leading to change. Maybe they are happy with that but I suspect many aren't. So loads of variables.

Plenty of opinion too on what SF 'need' to do too.

It is a flip-flop either way.

Utterly bizarre to call speculating on opinion polls at a given time, 'flip flopping'.

Both opinions given were accepting of the implications of the current opinion polls if they transpired in an election. If I denied those realities you guys would be first to the keyboards too.

I read your treatise on what SF should do to the backdrop of no discernable party dissatisfaction with the leader, the media reports of FG FF Greens populist cooking of the books pre election budget vote buying giveaway and the fact that previously SF's past was not a block to them in achieving support.

I can't speak for SF but I fear your advice will fall on deaf ears. They'll no doubt do their own analysis and we can all comment on how that goes.

I would observe though that the party you vote for have no stated issues with going into government with SF as they are presently constituted and would only require a change on environmental policy. Something that wasn't front and centre of the key changes you require. Maybe it's just me but your list seems to reflect changes the FG party would require more than FF or the Greens. Odd tbh.

Speculating on opinion polls through your own political party lens without any deeper analysis is basically flip-flopping.

How is saying that 'the status quo will remain if the current poll transpires in an election' speculating through a political party lens?

Why won't you guys explain? How often do I have to ask?

I merely reflected that somebody hugely fearful of SF in government as presently constituted was voting for a party who have expressed no problems being in government with them as presently constituted. If I am answerable on 'flip flopping' are you not on a key Green standpoint? You might be so vain to think your views are unimpeachable but every subscriber to this site is entitled to question glaring inconsistencies. Your wish list is closer to what FG require of SF and miles and miles from what the Greens require.

With respect, your 'analysis' couldn't be anymore politically motivated. For instance you jump on the 'populist' high moral ground while ignoring blatant populism currently being exposed and warned about by the government you support. You simply and hypocritically ignore it in one party and run to the high moral ground when another party does. A truly 'impartial' non political analysis tallies with my own analysis, they ALL engage in populism when it suits.

Now you lie about what I have said or done:

(other than people's opinions change and the electorate are stupid which are superficial meaningless points

I have never ever called the electorate 'stupid'.

I have clearly said in the face of you in particular salivating about SF 'having to chase the far right vote' to maintain their opinion poll level that they should not do that EVEN if it means remaining in opposition.

They have lost potential votes as a result, I have never denied that. So be it, the last thing I would support is another FG, promising New Politics just to get their bums on the comfy seats. Loss of shallow support doesn't bother me, chasing it just for power does. And I don't need to convince you, cogently or otherwise.

What is far right ? People in council estates who are anti immigration ?

They should be bedrock SF

Instead of reassuring them,why is SF abandoning them? Is it the long game,that they'll come back,thats a dilemma,because 5 more years of house building and frankly chè Guevara style welfare hand outs and Education/job opportunities from a new iteration of the current government might never see many of them back

A lot of assumptions about abandoning there.
Seems to me SF still have their 'bedrock' support.

The government hangs about at a certain support level, then hardens under a new leader on immigration and picks up support, seems pandering to that support might become their problem and of the various new Independents. Lots to happen there yet.

Here's the local SF rep:

Local Sinn Féin councillor Helen ­Meyer said the plans should be halted while they were fully fleshed out by the Department of Integration. She said officials were not able to answer many questions posed to them at a meeting earlier this week with local representatives.

“If you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail,” she said. “They way they are doing it now is very concerning. What we’d like to see is that they put good thought and planning into this so that it works.”

Here's the local FG rep:

Local Fine Gael councillor Alan Tobin said local representatives had spent 30 years fighting for better bus services and now the department was “magically” making them available.

He said the department “doesn’t ­negotiate, it dictates” and that he had invited Integration Minister Roderic O’Gorman to meet local people.

Mr Tobin said planning permission to build houses on the site would not be granted due to the noise from overhead passing planes going into Dublin Airport.

“They’re now going to put tents of people fleeing war, under severe stress, with aircraft flying overhead every 90 seconds,” he said.

The Fine Gael councillor also raised concerns over whether the proposed number of 1,000 ­migrants being housed on the site would be ­exceeded.

Pearse Doherty said the same thing as the local councillor - lack of information to come to an informed decision.
This is backed up by the FG person on the ground at Thornton Hall:

the department “doesn’t ­negotiate, it dictates” 

That, coincidentally backs up what the local FG, SF, FF people say in Coolock and Dundrum.

Lack of proper engagement locally.

You can run and hide all you want behind insinuation and downplaying FG and FF local councillors all you want.

Nobody will be stepping up to ally with TD's/Ministers and departments that 'dictate'. Because we have seen where that leads.

FG and FF can't even depend on their own to do that.

At this point I don't know if they do. I think SF were the lefts great hope for a new government. Hopefully all mainstream parties do so bad it takes 4 of them at least to form a coalition.

I can no longer vote for SF and the latest poll shows them down to 18. If they stick with policies 75% of the country disagree with they're going to struggle.

The only hope for SF is to go and do a deal with Labour/SD's/PBP in some sort of transfer pact.

I mentioned as much 4 years ago, but it got little to no traction.