Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

I'm complaining about the lack of rules.

It's not hateful rhetoric to claim someone supposedly fleeing persecution who has travelled through multiple EU countries to claim that persecution in Ireland as bogus.

It's common sense. As I've said before it makes a mockery of what actually running for your life in places like Sudan must be like.

You need to understand that how a person gets to their destination has no bearing on their application. There isn't a category for "well you had a shouting match with your cousin but you travelled across France on a donkey so you're fine but the other fella with ISIS death threats against him can't claim because he walked"

I never said it had anything to do with their application, not sure why you are responding about it.

Never suggested anything of the sort.

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Where are the posts? Can't see anything

It's the latest bug with the platform this site uses nowadays (Vanilla). Page counts are out of sync with post counts because of the effects of Mods deleting posts from what I've read over in the Helpdesk/Feedback forums.

THey've logged it, but Vanilla aren't exactly "Quality" and are US-based so it'll be fixed when it's fixed I guess!

For now the latest actual posts are appearing on page 1009 of this thread from what I can see here. Other threads are also similarly affected.

Any link to those mate?

This had made me **** livid tbh

What is the **** point of laws?

We really have a serious problem with judges in this country, it's been quite evident even outside the migration blight

What is the point of a safe countries list if "ipas" from these countries can still apply for asylum here, surely anyone from a safe country should not be allowed to do that, we need to be a lot stricter on whom can apply for asylum

More than 4,200 people arrived at immigration control in Dublin Airport last year with no travel documentation, indicating they had destroyed or lost it before reaching immigration control. The majority of these claimed asylum.

Under the Immigration Act 2004 it is an offence, punishable by up to 12 months in prison or a €3,000 fine, for an adult to land in the State without a valid travel document.

According to figures obtained by The Irish Times, just one person has been charged with this offence since 2019. They faced a single charge in 2019 and no conviction was recorded.

What's going to be facing us

Thanks for sharing this, the articles I'd read didn't go into as much detail as given here. I just hope the OBR findings don't give our leaders ideas. Given the warped logic that prioritises new arrivals for housing, it's not a massive leap for them to start throwing out highly paid jobs next.

Just arrived? No papers? No English? Wonderful, you'll be a great fit as our Chief Executive Assistant for Nothing in Particular. €150k a year do you? We've got money to burn, you know and we can't have them far right calling you nasty names like being a negative net contributor, especially after all the effort you've put in crossing 23 safe countries to get here.

You're kidding right, our lot will be rolling out the red carpets as we speak

And those are the ones that work - something that the 'refugees' from certain places have a very poor record of. Somalia for example - I think 75% or so never work in the UK

Aside from the bleeding heart defence solicitor (and yes, I get that it's their job to represent them too) and the Judge who was lamenting sentencing chancers who willfully destroyed their documents, the biggest problem there is that the 2 individuals weren't just sent back on the next plane to Girona.

Instead they are now somehow our problem, presumably indefinitely.

Sick to death of reading of stories like this, followed by the inevitable claims of our responsibilities, EU laws and so on. It seems these things only apply to the natives and taxpayers of Ireland. They seem to have no problems with doing whatever suits the domestic agenda in places like Hungary, Netherlands, or even Germany (who are the most responsible for this mess in the first place!).

But nope, in Ireland the Irish must just shut up, pay up, and bend over once again. It's bad enough now, but in another decade or two the consequences will be very evident and disastrous for what we think of as our society now. Don't believe me? We're already seeing it starting in places like north county Dublin, Blanchardstown etc.. These "incidents" (which aren't reported on except in the vaguest of terms by the mainstream media) will only increase and get worse.

That's not even getting into the effects of the huge shift in demographics of the country over the last 15/20 years - much of it artificial and accelerating thanks to the present free-for-all. Change and evolution isn't a bad thing in itself, but it is when it's being done at wholly unmanageable numbers and rates, and when the needs, questions and genuine concerns of the natives are being trampled on in the process!

My "tolerance" is all but gone when I read other stories of spiralling house prices, people in their 30s living in childhood bedrooms, a small fortune being pissed away on a bloody bike shed, FG resurging in the polls because the "opposition" is so much worse (I almost have to believe this - the alternative is many of the electorate are really that stupid or selfish to be actively rewarding failure), and so on.

If I didn't have a young child in this State, I'd seriously be considering my own options. I have worked all my life (save for a year when I was made redundant in the crash), but didn't take the "free money" of the Tiger years (thinking that it would be ridiculous to take on such debt at that point of my life - if only I'd known I could have played the poor mouth a few years later and kept the house anyway!) and now I pay for everything for very little return or benefit and with very little to show for it.

This country has already changed massively and sure, superficially and materially we're all much better off, but from a community, from a societal standpoint, and from the perspective of the social contract between citizen and State, we are far, FAR poorer than we were even in those hard times pre-1990s.

It's not a good place to be considering a future anymore (unless of course you're arriving with a sob story or not even bothering with that much!) , and that's something we'll never get back.

This is just more semantics and muddying the waters by yourself. Not that anyone here is surprised at this stage.

You seem oblivious to(or most likely just ignoring it as it suits your agenda) the idea that a system so easily abused is being abused.

But naturally you are right and everyone else is wrong.