Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

The conflation between mask wearing and illegal immigration is tenuous at best. I'm not quite sure what the point of that is.

I was told earlier that it was a requirement to have ID when applying for asylum. That is demonstrably false.

The fact is, people are applying for asylum without any proof of who they are, where they are from and why they are here other than what they claim.

We have, essentially, an open border policy and it needs to be addressed. We simply can't allow people into the country and into the general public without being able to verify who they are. That's absolutley insane and needs to be addressed. It's a huge problem.

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Not sure whether you are being deliberately obtuse or simply can't understand a simple point.

You apparently have difficulty understanding how there is a "requirement" for ID if people can start the process without it.

I merely tried to explain it to you by giving you the example of another "requirement". That being the ones we had to wear a mask. By your "definition", it was not a requirement given that there were some exceptions. But no normal person would not have called them "requirements".

Can you really not understand such a simple point? I mean if what you took from the point was the mask wearing equated to illegal immigration, then I'm afraid there is not much more I can work with. I could also have given the example of the requirement to obtain a certain level of grades in certain subjects to study certain courses at third level, and explain that there are exceptions there too (mature students or transfers). The issue is that now if I try to use that as a device to explain it to you, in your brain you'll think doing your leaving cert is the same as being an illegal immigrant.

It has been explained very well.

There is an absolute requirement to provide ID when claiming asylum in Ireland. You cannot have your claim processed without ID. That is the rule. You must have ID.

This makes sense. How can the country process a claim if we don't know who the person is? That is why the requirement to provide ID is there.

The exception is if you tear up your documents. Then you can get your claim processed without ID (and get housing and the right to work after five months) under whatever name you supply.

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I suppose this case of those arriving without passports sets a precident .

The Judges reply '' They are innocents abroad effectively needing help, assistance and care from us.”

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You'll forgive me if I didn't watch all of that but I had a quick peek, It just tells me there's a lunatic fringe in Springfield too.

As of the night before Trump's claims there had been zero police reports relating to pet attacks in Springfield.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-haitian-immigrants-stealing-eating-pets-ohio-2024-09-10/

We have threads here in parallel about how China is the bees knees and will be the leading world economy yada yada

Yet the Chinese themselves apparently can’t get out fast enough

A little bit like the "requirements" argument going on.

It's the fact you can actually pass through all of Europe with no documents to finally arrive in Ireland and claim AS and all of this actually fits within the ridiculously loose almost non existing "Rules" of AS that people are highlighting.

But similar to the "requirements" argument. It's just circular between the polarised views.

How anyone thinks the current system makes any logical sense and doesn't look at it and say its ripe for abuse is beyond me.

But plenty are on here arguing exactly that.

It's mind boggling.

Their are no people dropping everything and fleeing for their lives ending up in Ireland.

The people moving here have enough money to pay people to traffic them here.

These people are promised the world and are turning up to live in a tent and getting a few pound a week.

What we are witnessing is legalized human trafficking and the only people who benefit are the rich.

I don't mind if people foolishly think they are doing good by cheering this on, but at least be honest.

How can somebody fleeing without any documentation, get to Ireland, it is impossible, unless they have the money to pay traffickers.

Putin continues to try to flood europe

This was said earlier -

"They [AS] cannot be deported if they claim asylum, that would be against the law.

They can be arrested, and then they can claim asylum.

So, they claim asylum either way."

By pure coincidence about 10/12 days before the local/EU elections, there was a report on RTE that claimed "50 people without visas detected coming from the UK in last week"

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/0526/1451302-border-immigration/

The only possible interpretation of the article was that these people were detected in the RoI and fecked back to Belfast and Holyhead. These people were portrayed as bogus asylum seekers so by all accounts the GNIB actions were against the law. Have these GNIB officers been charged for breaking the law?

While he [Taoiseach Simon Harris] would not be drawn on the specifics of reports around garda activity regarding people travelling into the jurisdiction from Northern Ireland, he said it was important to ensure there was no abuse of the Common Travel Area between Ireland and the UK.

So, Simon Harris would not be drawn on the specifics of reports around garda activity…I wonder why

This looked like a great strategy (albeit illegal imo) by the Govt and indeed likely helped their results in the elections however, why have there been no more reports on this strategy in the almost 4 months since then? - Maybe we'll have to wait until about 10 days before the GE day before we see another similar report magically appear on RTE and it too will receive zero interrogation by anyone in the media

The simple fact that it is easy to tell who the bad actors are in Ireland.

Just look out for a part in Fair City on their IMDB profiles.

How dare you!!! Mondo is an acting tour-de-force!

What reality am I refusing to engage with.

Tell me how someone leaves Pakistan for example with no money and ends up in Ireland?

We are told they are fleeing with nothing and travelling across the world.