Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

there is a cohort of people in this country that will never work. I grew up surrounded by this mentality. I don’t begrudge anyone social welfare or anything but I do despise the people who will only ever live like this because they can.
again €200+ isn’t going to get them far when you think about it and I say give them all €450 a week to be honest because do you know what I hate most… the supports to the payments. Give everyone a living wage and take their rent allowance, medical cards, back to school allowance etc away. If you or I can work and live on €450 a week without the supports, then up the social welfare and take away the supports because the social welfare payments are not ridiculous if you raise it by €200 a week, imagine what the government would save not paying x amount in rent or allowances etc. if a working person has to do it why not everyone and then if you need supports you see a welfare officer as it’s not automatic and people on lower wages could avail too. I see more struggling workers than people on social welfare.

Way to doge the question…..

That is direct misrepresentation.

Okay…….

It is absolutely not unrealistic to expect that successive pay deals will not make us poorer.

So you DID want double digit percentage increases twice in the last 18 months, then, thereby nullifying your claim of misrepresentation?

Argumentum ad populum is not an argument, the majority is not right just because they're the majority.

I never claimed the majority is right, what was that about misrepresenting others' points? I said it was unrealistic to expect 10% in a single agreement, never mind successive ones.

I also said it makes you look like a crank, which you took offense to, despite it being objectively true, by your own admission:

Crank: a pejorative term used for a person who holds an unshakable belief that most of his or her contemporaries consider to be false

Where is that going to leave us in ten or 20 or more years..?

Slippery slope fallacy is not an argument.

Add in the jobseekers dependants, the questionable DA and IP claimants, their dependants,"carers" who don't even live with those they claim to provide full time care, those who seems to work(rather declare to work) the bare minimum to max out wfp. The number of claimants for payments other then jobseekers have rocketed. We have have full employemnt for those who want to.

I doubt there 40k 65 year olds signing on. The pre-retirement pension and JB at 65 seems to be the same thing as long as you don't completely use up your JB pre reaching 65 -@ 65 you have it for year.

See also:
https://www.gov.ie/en/circular/4a886-circular-082024-application-of-1-june-2024-pay-adjustments/

Did you need an OECD report to tell you that? Seems like there’s nothing new with regards to salaries.

Certainly looks like the most recent deal will far outstrip inflation and go a decent way to getting us back to parity.

Inflation at a little over 2% and we’re getting 4.25% this year. It’s already closer than that 6% figure.

I didn’t say it would reverse it. I said it would “go a decent way”. It’s currently doing that….

But anyway, what’s interesting about the article? There’s nothing new that hasn’t already been stated in this thread months and months ago when the deal was negotiated.

It's 3% next year (2% March, 1% Aug)

it's less than others will be getting and the public sector is competing with these good employers for talent - and failing.

By definition any new entrant has zero experience. Not sure if your post is sarcasm

They have zero experience in the role.

They may or may not have experience from elsewhere which may or may not have any relevance to their role.

Saying that new recruits could join at the top of the scale is ludicrous.

I thought your issue was the public sector trying to compete with the private sector for talent?

Starting at the minimum of the scale would be a bigger issue for most private sector workers who want to join the public sector than any percent increase on the bottom of the scale.

Or are you only concerned about public sector employees leaving for private sector?

The local bargaining doesn't get implemented until Sept 2025. Would say it'll be a while yet before it's known.