How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425200/#Comment_121425200
there is a cohort of people in this country that will never work. I grew up surrounded by this mentality. I don’t begrudge anyone social welfare or anything but I do despise the people who will only ever live like this because they can. again €200+ isn’t going to get them far when you think about it and I say give them all €450 a week to be honest because do you know what I hate most… the supports to the payments. Give everyone a living wage and take their rent allowance, medical cards, back to school allowance etc away. If you or I can work and live on €450 a week without the supports, then up the social welfare and take away the supports because the social welfare payments are not ridiculous if you raise it by €200 a week, imagine what the government would save not paying x amount in rent or allowances etc. if a working person has to do it why not everyone and then if you need supports you see a welfare officer as it’s not automatic and people on lower wages could avail too. I see more struggling workers than people on social welfare.
They'll try their hardest to convince you that you're complicit by not demanding a double digit percentage increase every 18 months.
That is direct misrepresentation.
You, and your POV, are completely at odds with the vast, vast majority of people
That's unfortunate but it's something I have to accept. Argumentum ad populum is not an argument, the majority is not right just because they're the majority.
and your expectations are completely unrealistic.
It is absolutely not unrealistic to expect that successive pay deals will not make us poorer. Where is that going to leave us in ten or 20 or more years..?
You can bitch and moan all you like, it makes you look like a crank.
Like I said, all you have provided is misrepresentation and name calling.
Way to doge the question…..
Okay…….
It is absolutely not unrealistic to expect that successive pay deals will not make us poorer.
So you DID want double digit percentage increases twice in the last 18 months, then, thereby nullifying your claim of misrepresentation?
Argumentum ad populum is not an argument, the majority is not right just because they're the majority.
I never claimed the majority is right, what was that about misrepresenting others' points? I said it was unrealistic to expect 10% in a single agreement, never mind successive ones.
I also said it makes you look like a crank, which you took offense to, despite it being objectively true, by your own admission:
Crank: a pejorative term used for a person who holds an unshakable belief that most of his or her contemporaries consider to be false
Where is that going to leave us in ten or 20 or more years..?
Slippery slope fallacy is not an argument.
So you DID want double digit percentage increases twice in the last 18 months, then
Where did you pull that out of? as if I don't know.
It's complete misrepresentation.
If you can't post in good faith then we do not have a discussion.
Add in the jobseekers dependants, the questionable DA and IP claimants, their dependants,"carers" who don't even live with those they claim to provide full time care, those who seems to work(rather declare to work) the bare minimum to max out wfp. The number of claimants for payments other then jobseekers have rocketed. We have have full employemnt for those who want to.
I doubt there 40k 65 year olds signing on. The pre-retirement pension and JB at 65 seems to be the same thing as long as you don't completely use up your JB pre reaching 65 -@ 65 you have it for year.
The bigger issue is those on BASI for years on end who are capable of work.
Activation is normally ended at 312 days unemployment.They should be targeting those.
Does a circular need to go out to approve the 1% increase for June?
Mine was applied in my last wage.
ok thanks I'm paid monthly, will see if it kicks in, HR hasn't updated pay scales. thanks for reply.
Its out.
See also: https://www.gov.ie/en/circular/4a886-circular-082024-application-of-1-june-2024-pay-adjustments/
Well well well.
It shows that between 2015 and last year, salaries increased by 16 per cent in Ireland for secondary teachers with 15 years of experience. Most of this increase compensated for the rising cost of living.However, when adjusted for inflation, teachers’ salaries decreased by 6 per cent over the eight-year period compared to an average increase of 4 per cent across countries with available data.
It shows that between 2015 and last year, salaries increased by 16 per cent in Ireland for secondary teachers with 15 years of experience. Most of this increase compensated for the rising cost of living.
However, when adjusted for inflation, teachers’ salaries decreased by 6 per cent over the eight-year period compared to an average increase of 4 per cent across countries with available data.
Of course it's not just teachers but the entire public sector. No wonder recruitment and retention is in the toilet.
We really have to stop signing up to pay deal after pay deal that makes us poorer.
Did you need an OECD report to tell you that? Seems like there’s nothing new with regards to salaries.
Certainly looks like the most recent deal will far outstrip inflation and go a decent way to getting us back to parity.
There is not the slightest hope that the current pay deal is going to reverse that historic 6 per cent deficit, not even close.
Inflation at a little over 2% and we’re getting 4.25% this year. It’s already closer than that 6% figure.
I didn’t say it would reverse it. I said it would “go a decent way”. It’s currently doing that….
But anyway, what’s interesting about the article? There’s nothing new that hasn’t already been stated in this thread months and months ago when the deal was negotiated.
Not sure why the attitude, it's always handy to have facts in black and white to stick in the craw of the public sector haters on here.
Wages to grow 4.5% next year as Irish economy rebounds sharply, EY says
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2024/09/25/wages-to-grow-45-next-year-as-economy-rebounds-sharply-ey-says/
Not in the public sector.
A 4.25% increase this year and a 4% increase next year. Plus increments if eligible.
And that's for all civil and public sector. A lot of private companies won't be doing that.
It's 3% next year (2% March, 1% Aug)
There's the local bargaining at 1% for some (whatever that turns out to be)
Even then, between this year and last year, it's higher than a lot of private sector employees will be getting
it's less than others will be getting and the public sector is competing with these good employers for talent - and failing.
Well I definitely agree that new entrants to the civil service should be allowed to join at the top of the scale (depending on experience of course). Sounds like a good way to attract talent.
By definition any new entrant has zero experience. Not sure if your post is sarcasm
They have 0 years service not zero experience
They have zero experience in the role.
They may or may not have experience from elsewhere which may or may not have any relevance to their role.
Saying that new recruits could join at the top of the scale is ludicrous.
A lot of skills are transferable. My youngest is a bit over 3 years out of college. He worked with an investment bank in Dublin for two years before travelling for 12 months. Became back.during the summer and is gone to a private investment firm in London. He did not start at the bottom of the ladder even though it's totally different work. He is actually earning double what he left the Dublin bank. He travelled for two reasons.
I thought your issue was the public sector trying to compete with the private sector for talent?
Starting at the minimum of the scale would be a bigger issue for most private sector workers who want to join the public sector than any percent increase on the bottom of the scale.
Or are you only concerned about public sector employees leaving for private sector?
Does anyone have any further info on the local bargaining or will it not be known how that's being used till closer to the time.
The local bargaining doesn't get implemented until Sept 2025. Would say it'll be a while yet before it's known.
What if a new recruit worked as a legal secretary for 10 years and wanted to join as a CO. Is it ludicrous that they should start some ways up the ladder?
HR manager of Dunnes for 15 years took redundancy and wants to join as an EO? Ludicrous for them not to be at the bottom of the ladder?
I'm not really arsed about the issue but your comment is just wrong imo. The notion of zero years service being equivalent to zero experience is utter ignorance.
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