Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

So it's a failure then.

This thread is full of cranks with very unrealistic expectations, I wouldn't worry about it too much. They'll try their hardest to convince you that you're complicit by not demanding a double digit percentage increase every 18 months.

Don't forget to add in all those double weeks and very generous extra bonus' given to welfare recipients around Christmas time. It all adds up. Also factor in the costs of work for the employee.

Look, the deal is done and it won't be undone. But it was said by some of us all along that CS/PS were being shafted.

The bottom line is the Government place more value on welfare than work.

imagine consistently getting increases decade after decade sitting on your butt not even looking for a job that's what goes on in this country - people having 40 years on the dole parties down the pub its a complete joke lol

The bottom line is the Government place more value on welfare than work

What sensational bullshit.

Ireland is at "full employment".

If misrepresentation and name calling is all you have, you don't have an argument.

We voted last time for a pay deal which left us much worse off, we've now voted for one which does next to nothing to reverse that, and this is at a time when the economy is doing well!

I'm not misrepresenting anything. You wanted a 10%+ increase in both of the last two deals, correct?

You, and your POV, are completely at odds with the vast, vast majority of people and your expectations are completely unrealistic. You can bitch and moan all you like, it makes you look like a crank.

What about my post suggests that people on jobseekers should be treated like wild animals living off scraps? You disagree that people who are working and provide for themselves should come out better than people who choose to remain living off jobseekers?

Jobseekers isn't and shouldn't be a punishment, it should be a support in place for people who need it when they lose their jobs. It shouldn't be a permanent alternative option to working, however.

anyone working any job is financially better off than anyone on jobseekers. Even someone working part-time should be taking home more than someone unemployed

Its a safety net. What you describe is horrible system I wouldn't subject on anyone. I think its a disgusting attitude to have.

It shouldn't be a permanent alternative option to working

Its not and the number of people who cheat the system is a statistically irrelevant number. How many billions is our surplus? Yet we should make the lives of everyone on jobseekers more miserable than it currently is to save a few million.

The system needs to be changed so that anyone working any job is financially better off than anyone on jobseekers

I think that describes a horrible system. One, when someone loses their job, automatically goes to the very very very bottom. It’s a temporary measure to assist people and should actually help people get through the period. It’s welfare which is effectively a type of insurance.

”Can you show this statistically irrelevant number ”

Pointless. No matter what figures are produced you’ll dispute them. CSO holds the stats and you’re just as capable as producing a stat which shows it is statistically relevant, you’re the one who wants to rip up the system, no me.

These people are about to get the shock of their life.

Dept of Social Prosecution is going to engage with the long term unemployed,

will be assigned a case worker, progression / activation programmes will be assigned.

Either retrain, take a job, or get cut off from benefits.

Qué letters from doctors to say they have a "disability"

The 140k on jobseekers is probably the base. It was 100k 10+ years ago. Effectively its full employment.

When a person reached 65 previously they drew a pre retirement pension. The government changed the rules so not at 65 you can spend a year drawing your stamps. A significant number now do this. Woukdbit be 40k.

Next you have those signing on for credits. Technically they are available for work but most are not actively looking. They already have the 520 minimum stamps and the credits will activate the rest of there years. Old public servants who paid a D stamp maje up the majority of these.

You then have the people between jobs, my own son is job hunting at present he wasvtravelling for 12 months and is drawing jobseekers benefit at present.

There are part time workers who only work 2-3 days a week that recieve part time benefit.

Then you have the habitual longterm unemployed. I can understand why employers are reluctant to employ them. They are not as many as you think