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French man accused of drugging his wife and inviting men to rape her

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  • #302
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,037 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122584992#Comment_122584992

    Just to be clear, since I'm the one who started this thread: if you think I've minimised assault against men anywhere I'd appreciate if you point out where please.

    If you don't mean me, you need to make that clear.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • #303
    volchitsa
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122584915#Comment_122584915

    Guards can't just set up a checkpoint outside the house of a known drinker. Safeguards like that protect people from the feeling of being "targeted".

    In France the police can and do stop people at random and breathalyse them. It's very common for instance inthe run up to christmas for them to set up checkpoints near business zones to check people leaving work after a christmas drink with their colleagues. They test people entirely at random.

    I've never heard of anyone complaining that this was a slanderous smear on all the decent drivers who were equally targeted by this sort of anti drink driving campaign. #Notalldrivers

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • #304
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122588469#Comment_122588469

    random checkpoints are not what that post is discussing at all



  • #305
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122588416#Comment_122588416

    As far as I remember ( can't link atm) they swabbed him or took samples at that time that matched up with rape/murder cold case from the 90's.

    To be fair to the cops, there's also the fact that they didn't just write that incident off either, as often happens.

    Yes, yes it does. I have been blue in the face trying to highlight the behavior of a man who has repeatedly acted this way. Found he had been videoing me in my home when my back was turned (I was painting a wall) and just had the camera zoomed in on my arse for 2 minutes. He had the video on his phone for at least a year when I saw it (he accidentally flipped through it while showing me pictures of his elderly mother in a nursing home) but sure he's such an innocent kind boy and look he doesn't mean any harm by it. 😒 An absolute letch.



  • #306
    volchitsa
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122588485#Comment_122588485

    I know. So?

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



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  • #307
    volchitsa
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122588501#Comment_122588501

    That makes me despair.

    I would say I hope you find a solution but I know that's an empty phrase in that context.

    Apparently there are four other men involved (I'm not sure if they're in the court today but I think they are going to be in separate cases in the future) who are accused, not of raping Gisèle Pelicot but of being in contact with Dominique Pelicot in order to learn how to drug their own partner(s) to do the same thing with them.

    Seems like this is not going to turn out to be an isolated incident of one weirdo.

    And then of course in Ireland there's this:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-35025986

    And I wonder, in hindsight, how many of these other women were in fact drugged (in the second one, it's also possible that her partner was drugged, since he was in the same bed when she was being raped)?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2024/05/01/man-jailed-for-rape-after-gardai-found-videos-of-him-sexually-assaulting-girlfriend-while-she-slept/
    https://highlandradio.com/2024/08/07/man-jailed-for-rape-of-sleeping-woman-in-donegal/
    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0325/1206201-courts-rape/

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • #308
    monkeybutter
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122587563#Comment_122587563

    have you ever read a newspaper or history book? peak? this guy and the others are going to jail

    In the past they would have gotten a pack on the back



  • #309
    monkeybutter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122586849#Comment_122586849

    reddit is a cesspit of nonsense, I'm sure you know this

    the amount of salt youd need to consume would kill you



  • #310
    Mr Disco
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122588523#Comment_122588523

    what would be in the pack?



  • #311
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122588509#Comment_122588509

    After many years (I did have sympathy for this guy originally which is how he came to be in my company in the first place) I decided to seek legal advice and maybe have a solicitor write him a letter as asking him for some space didn't really go very far. I'd get a couple of months break maybe and he'd come back with a sack full of gifts as an excuse to get back on my right side.

    He tried to move into my home within days of my daughter moving out, and he had the garda help him do it. ( I received a call from them asking if he could stay as he had an argument with his father and had nowhere to go) I helped him get set up with Simon and furnished his new little flat and then asked a friend in the legal profession what to do. He told me to write down what I would ask a solicitor to say, put it in an envelope and after reading it he told me to put it away in a safe place and forget about it. Which I did.

    Years later in counselling I was treated as a pariah for being mean to him. When I went to women's aid and presented them with the letter (a lot of stuff had happened since then) the project worker talked to me about prostitution and when I told her I hadn't had sex with a man in over 20 years she tried to suggest I was his "girlfriend experience".

    I could go on..



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  • #312
    chopperbyrne
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    Prison is too good for anyone involved in this.



  • #313
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122588539#Comment_122588539

    sure doesn’t mean there’s not a wide body of formal study into psychopathy and policing

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C41&q=psychopathy+police&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1725623140450&u=%23p%3D_xabexurX2YJ



  • #314
    volchitsa
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122586117#Comment_122586117

    This is not 70 from 30 million though, as I've shown. This is 70 from one region of France, and at least another 30 from the same region who, when they learned that the plan was rape and not some sort of role play decided not to get involved - but nor did they bother reporting the planned rape to the police either. Not one of them felt strongly enough about it to try to put a stop to it.

    Maybe the only reason some of them didn't do it was they didn't fancy sex with a nearly 70 year old woman. Maybe if she'd been 30 they would have. Who can say. But we can say that they weren't too concerned about her, since they didn't even make an anonymous phone call to the police (the daughter also pointed this out in her testimony today BTW)

    So as I said previously, unless there's some reason to think that this particular area has lots of men with a particularly perverted view of women, the logical conclusion is that every area in France has a significant number of men willing to rape a woman if they think they can get away with it.

    And unless France is different to the rest of Europe, so does the rest of Europe.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • #315
    monkeybutter
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122588590#Comment_122588590

    a pat on the back



  • #316
    monkeybutter
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122588608#Comment_122588608

    is there the same research on say computer programmers



  • #317
    volchitsa
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122588599#Comment_122588599

    Christ. Girlfriend experience?? All this "be kind" sh1t - I'm so done with that. Look at the utter fury being shown on this thread about men's hurty feelings. FFS

    (And yet, the socialisation is SO strong that I'm going to do yet another "notallmen" myself , well, sort of 😎 So here goes: yes I can SEE that there are a number of male posters on here who've been great. The shame is that even needs to be said when it should be the norm. Imagine having to say "Isn't it great that some men don't need to make a rape case all about 'Wah wah, poor poor men and nasty mean women'". Yet here we are. Again.)

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • #318
    [Deleted User]
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    Haha, just the tip of the iceberg. It's his mother I was actually more concerned about. She had a convenient fall down the stairs one weekend when he needed to head off in his annual whore expedition with the local Liverpool supporters club. There was no one to look after her but good job they managed to find her a bed in the hospital once they discovered her hip was broken. Helping her up the stairs he was. Hopped on a flight as soon as she was comfortable and made his special weekend in time. ❤️ He's a sweetheart.



  • #319
    monkeybutter
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122588683#Comment_122588683

    is it not the case that 1 man is no more responsible for the actions of another man than another woman and vice versa?

    was the first response in the thread not an answer in itself and the rest of the thread a waste of time

    what I will say is there are people out there engaging in all sorts of what normies would drop a jaw at

    and the scenario in play here, although it is feckin mental on so many levels from either side does exist for real, it is very very rare for obvious reasons



  • #320
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    I confess that the huge amount of data concerning sexual abuse over the last few days has been taking its toll. It's just horrible stuff and it won't stay down any longer. I hope we are edging closer to the end of the days of the violent, destructive, sexually abusive men. (And the people who would keep their victims silent)



  • #321
    monkeybutter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    imagine even being on that medication for so long, youd be melted from it



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  • #322
    volchitsa
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122585184#Comment_122585184

    And whose fault is that? All the posters desperately trying to deflect from what actually happened, that's who. Like yourself.

    I've been posting links to the live coverage of the case, with handy translation for anyone who's interested, but it seems that some posters just want to discuss me and my supposed agenda instead. Why don't you discuss the case instead of dismissing it with all sorts of uninformed nonsense that anyone actually following it would know was untrue?

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • #323
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122588507#Comment_122588507

    sorry I didn’t realize your intent was digressing into a non-sequitur.



  • #324
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122588664#Comment_122588664

    you’re free to look, the world is your oyster. That’s not my burden.



  • #325
    volchitsa
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122587593#Comment_122587593

    It is correct though. You're assuming the journalist is wrong because??

    I've posted examples of the accused being men who were living in the region. I'm not going to go through 50 men one by one. So if you have some evidence that these were exceptions, let's see it. Otherwise I'm going to continue supposing that the journalists reporting on the case know more about it than you do.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • #326
    monkeybutter
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122588819#Comment_122588819

    bit of self education no harm from time to time, take a break from the posting



  • #327
    monkeybutter
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122588825#Comment_122588825

    plus they are listed in a court case, listing who the people are

    its quite local



  • #328
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122588750#Comment_122588750

    That’s not good enough for the OP. Until all men are castrated they wont be happy

    Done reading this toxic shite



  • #329
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122588842#Comment_122588842

    there you go, all the reason in the world for you to hop on Google scholar and have your own query answered



  • #330
    volchitsa
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122587528#Comment_122587528

    Her children have made several comments about not being able to leave her alone for even a night, because they're so afraid she will commit suicide.

    I'd be even more worried about her mental state after this case: yesterday/this morning, the defence lawyers were trying to discredit the medical expert because she showed some slight emotion, ie was not neutral, when describing what happened, and also used the word "rape" instead of "sex scene". Rape apparently has not yet been proven.

    Imagine if the case were thrown out on a technicality about the medical expert allegedly being "overcome by emotion"?

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



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  • #331
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122588825#Comment_122588825

     I'm not going to go through 50 men one by one

    therein lies the fallacy of assuming and claiming they all live within a 20 minute drive of her current residence. Despite the fact the reporting (the journalists are wrong because???) notes that the crimes began when they lived in Paris, hours and hours away.



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