French man accused of drugging his wife and inviting men to rape her

Is there? Where?

Sure. That said the rationality is usually given inverse sense of severity, approaching the situation as eg. most men can be rapists (tens of millions of people in a society, about 1 in every 2 humans you meet) vs. most rapists tend to be men (a <<1% cohort per 100k)

Yep … Another Man hating thread…

Slán ….

The title was provocative but it would be actually interesting if men could give their honest opinion on this matter.

Except that is not what is being asked, or inferred.

As a man, my honest opinion on this is that it's a disgusting thing that happened, and the perpetrators should go to jail for a very long time. There, is that an honest enough opinion? What other sort of opinion do you expect the men in this thread to hold about this incident? Ah shur it's grand, it was only a bit of rape among friends. No, nobody is going to say that or anything resembling it. Nobody has minimised it, nobody made excuses for these pieces of human dirt - but the inference that men on this thread, simply by the act of being men, can offer any additional insight into the minds of rapists is very weird.

Well, that was my question, could they offer an insight?. I worked in a pub for years. I saw how differently groups of guys acted while together and how different those same guys acted while their girlfriends/wives were with them. And this is in a local were everyone knew everyone. How differently again would that group act while abroad on a stag with know one but themselves to know?

I'm not inferring that men know their mate deep down is a psychopathic rapist but I wonder how may men see their friends do things that show their disregard of women that they don't call out. There are clearly cultural factors that influence rates of sexual assaults. Rape has been historically been shown to increase during times of war. There are also vastly different rates of rape between India and Ireland for instance, and I would find it hard to believe that the patriarchal culture in India vs Ireland isn't a large part of that. There will always be psychopaths who would do disturbing things no matter what, but there must be a percentage of men who would rape/sexually assault if conditions meant they weren't likely to be caught or judged to account for increases in rape during wartime conditions.

What a crappy headline from the Telegraph.

Nice thought, but it’ll change nothing. People that do things like this have it in them. A few classes or ads won’t change that.

Is a wife-beater gonna see a domestic violence ad on the telly and think “Gee, I never realised what I was doing was wrong, I better apologise and change my ways”??

Maybe discuss the case itself, instead of how dangerous men are ….

Then we might be able to have a serious , adult conversation ……

is the advertisement only targeting wife beaters who are already predisposed to criminal acts or will the advertisement be seen by all walks of life, including young children and young adults who have not formed their sexual identities or their convictions about what is moral and ethical and legal to them.

In certain US states, for example, marital rape is shockingly legal. Because of this, you may find in states where it is illegal, people have the mistaken notion that it is legal in their jurisdiction. if you ran advertisement campaigns to raise public awareness of the crime, surely you would reduce the incident rate, and even cause women who see the ad advertisement to report their abusers, who may otherwise have been deceived into believing that what their husband was doing, could not be stopped by official means.

From the NYT:

The trial comes at a moment of heightened scrutiny of the handling of sexual crimes in the country. Rape is defined in French law as an “act of sexual penetration” committed “by violence, coercion, threat or surprise.” A number of feminist lawmakers want to amend that wording to say explicitly that sex without consent is rape, that consent can be withdrawn at any time, and that consent cannot exist if sexual assault is committed “by abusing a state impairing the judgment of another.”

“There is a kind of naïveté on the topic of predators in France, a kind of denial,” said Sandrine Josso, a lawmaker who led a parliamentary commission into what is known in France as “chemical submission” — drugging someone with malicious intent. She started the commission after she says she became the victim of a drugging last year. A senator is being investigated on accusations that he slipped Ecstasy into her Champagne. 

Can you quantify a heck of a lot. You seem to use a lot of words that can be interpreted either way. A sly way of protesting your innocence. So step off that sideline and give us a figure

droll non answer

If you have it in you, you have it in you.

How much have we spent on drug awareness towards young people over the past few decades and the country is awash with drugs?? Have the ads worked??