French man accused of drugging his wife and inviting men to rape her

Well, you are blaming men, and then using the little "escape card" of 'not lall men'…

and then i get the vitriol i neither asked for or deserved…. 🤷‍♂️

Have a beautiful day ……………

What education would stop , a previously convicted rapist not to drug his wife, and then invite guys to rape her?

And then ..

Would education stop gun crime? School shootings? Drink driving? Drug driving ?

Assaults ? …

Calm down , and bit a little more realistic please.

Any suggestions on what to do?

If I may speak for the majority of men including myself, who are very much anti rape or abuse of any kind, and who would without a moments thought help any person being attacked or hurt.

What do you want us to do?

Men need to do more, men are the problem……..so what is the solution?

Asking for “all men” to stop being bad men, that’s just fantasy. There will always be bad men, and women.

You didn't say some men. You said a heck of a lot of men. And then go on to say women can't trust men in general. You set the tone of the thread from the very opening post.

This case is horrible. The woman is incredibly brave and is to be commended for what she has done.

“Heck of alot of men when the opportunity presented”

1) The opportunity didn’t present. Each man went looking for it specifically on that website. The group of men is not even close to representative of “men” as a population. They are a tiny microcosm of men; that technology these days sadly allows them find each other.

2) **** every single one should be shot.

This case is beyond horrifying and it is clear and very, very, obvious that many men have serious issues with how they perceive and treat women.

In Ireland and in Europe it's not even clear to me that we think there might be a problem. The people who want to talk about it are either painted as unhinged feminists or actually do come across as unhinged. Yet when those people do talk about it the goal seems to be only to shame men and the only men who are shamed by that approach are those who are likely not committing these kinds of crimes. You think the kind of bloke who would get involved with something like this can be nagged into choosing to not bother?

I can go into Dublin City Centre tomorrow night and along Talbot Steet and Parnell Street I will see young girls only 13, 14, 15 years old wearing revealing clothing being eyeballed by many much older men who will offer to buy them booze from the Spar, Centra, Tesco or Supervalu. What I won't generally see is people talking about it. I've often gotten on public transport on a Friday or Saturday night and seen intoxicated guys in their 20s and 30s hanging out with a gaggle of much younger and much more intoxicated teen girls and, again, I don't see anyone talking about this.

Where did all the "we live in a rape culture" feminists go? Did they just make their money jumping on a trend and then retire to nice safe homes where they could advocate for inclusivity in sports while leaving the vulnerable women of Ireland to their fate?

I wouldn't want my wife walking through Dublin on her own at night and I don't much care if it's "not all men" or whatever. As far as I am concerned it IS all men until proven otherwise. Why would anyone take any other kind of risk?

The fact of the matter is that we live in a culture where a significant number of men do not have any respect or care for women, with a smaller number being actively hostile and aggressive towards them. Lads who would think nothing of "having a go" with a very drunk or very vulnerable woman.

I've been on the wrong side of this argument in the past but if we look at society objectively we can see that there is a very, very, deep issue that we've become experts at dancing around.

It's only going to get worse until we actually wake the hell up and start openly pointing out the things that we are now just quietly noticing.

Really, it's only going to get worse though.

"Not all men", sure - but it turns out, "a heck of a lot of men"

that is from the opening post

you say their analogy is “crushed” because ‘men do it more’ but then without nary missing a beat proceed to pivot to saying that “even if it saves 1 woman … then surely it’s worth it”

So how was their analogy, “crushed???” If their campaign to make some women drivers safer drivers saves even 1 woman from being killed then you would agree it’s worth it. Right?

”constant misrepresentation of what I and others have said” yet claiming the reactions of others on here are “furious”

That’s a double standard, isn’t it? Which reactions are “furious?”