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Oasis Reunion. Its finally happening😱

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Question:

    Were tickets for the gig advertised at a certain price, and then when customers arrived at the point of purchase/ payment, they were asked for a higher price than advertised?

    If this is, indeed, the case, then we can expect to see the Advertising Watchdogs in both the UK and Ireland push for a change in legislation to address the issue. I imagine this will be the last year we see the practice and I'm sure Live Nation will kick and scream about it, with their usual overly-convoluted commercial-heavy prose attempting to justify it's " fairness".

    When you begin to see government ministers on both sides of the pond making this a political issue, it will be a case of " who blinks first".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,615 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    They don't even need that. Just have an embedded Twitter/X window (Which I believe they have elsewhere. Certainly SOME suppliers do). There you go on Twitter: "All initial tickets now sold out. Dynamic Pricing in effect". One looks at their depressing position and says to themselves "Ah, b0llox to this. They'll be 500 quid by the time I get there. Life is short. Time for a cuppa. Slàn"



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,973 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Tickets were priced "From" 86.50 standing

    Then a little while into said sale tickets for standing changed to "In Demand - Standing" for 415.50



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,125 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    They could easily have announced tiered pricing before hand, and not used surge prices.

    Break the pitch into three sections.

    Gold Circle/Pit/Closest to stage - €200

    Behind that - €150

    Behind that - €100

    Do similar for seated sections.

    At least everyone in a particular section all pay the same for general sale, unless you decide to buy it aftermarket.

    Still will be millions in profit for every gig.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    I think the only real solution to this, whereby customers are upset at the long queue only to not get tickets at the 'advertised' pricing and the company (Ticketmaster and Oasis want to and should be allowed to maximise their revenue) is to have a pre-biding.

    Rather than set a price, Ticketmaster gives a range. And each account (customer) selects the highest price they are prepared to pay.

    <100, <200, <500, 1000 etc.

    If enough people select 1000 per ticket, all tickets are offered at that price range. Unfortunately, those only wanting to pay 100 are priced out, but at least they know that and don't waste their time queueing.

    What is being done now is to lure the customer is with the hope of a 150 ticket, then after waiting 5/6 hours, faced with a 500 ticket or no ticket at all Ticketmaster know that a sizeable amount of people will opt to buy the ticket. People can point out that people should have spending control etc, but this system is designed specifically to override that control on the basis of sunk cost and FOMO.

    Make it so that the emotion of taken out of it and those that can/want to pay do and those that can't don't. Yes, its crap that people are priced out, but people are priced out of lots of things and that is just life, and capitalism.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,410 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Ok, so we are at the nub of it now.

    Say they announce standing tickets at 250 bucks - seated at 300 - do you think it would have changed to outcome of hundred of thousands of people being dissappointed?

    I have no issues with charging a set price for ticket categories has has been the case for decades - but for these "high demand" gigs and particularily for the given set of variables for this one you'd probably end up with tickets at those prices and hundreds of thousands still being dissappointed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,676 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Ticket prices were as advertised as they were 'from €86.50' (or thereabouts). And tickets were indeed 'from €86.50'.

    When you got to the ticket selection screen, the ticket price for every ticket was displayed. Once you added it to your basket (assuming there was stock), that was the price you paid.

    The CCPC have already said there was nothing illegal about it and they've ruled out an enquiry as everything was above board.

    I'm not justifying the prices but people are clutching at straws trying to find some illegality about the whole thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,273 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    In that case I would say "250e for a gig. Man Oasis are greedy €unts who don't care about fans".

    You seem to keep saying that high demand gigs are going to be way more expensive as if it's some natural law of nature. It's it's not it's a decision made by gougers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭CuriousCucumber


    I get ya.

    Using my simple numbers above, all standing tickets would have been set at €285, and all seating would have had to be €345

    The problem for the bands then is the psychological effect. Lots of people would have said no, based on the transparent price, and perhaps the gig doesnt sell out.

    The way it's done, maximises the chance to seel out a concert for a band.

    The only way it changes, is if gigs don't sell out.

    And as we can all see from AC/DC, Oasis and Taylor Swift, the current approach works for them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,410 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    They obviously don't have to be more expensive that other non high demand gigs - the decision is ultimately with the artist and their representatives. Various people have various choices to make at various points in the whole interaction from the artists, promotors, ticket selling platform, venue and ultimately the person looking to buy a ticket.

    Again for the "major" summer gigs the past two years here, we've seen people willing to pay what I would call extortionate amounts of money for tickets. Until people decide against doing that it's hard to see the "bigger" acts and all involved in the process going back to more standard/cheaper pricing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,241 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Tickets have never costed the same for everyone as for sold out gigs some will have paid a lot to touts.

    Sometimes the touts lost though and you could pick up tickets for less than face value. The point is there has always been market pricing for events. The only difference here is that it's the organisers that create the market and take the profits.

    And Oasis show is as cheap as they come to put on. They dont do flashy staging and croke park will likely only have a standard concert stage. The costs really are just hire of the hall, security and minimal staging. The minimum break even cost would be something like €50 per person. Everything above that goes to pay the promoter and the acts.

    Flat pricing means that effectively the promoter and the acts are leaving money on the table for touts to take. Dynamic pricing means that the organisers see the profits for their endeavours rather than a third party opportunist.

    Understanding the logic of the pricing and why it is done is different from endorsing it. Of course I'd like to see tickets at a flat price, it means that I might be able to get a ticket to an event for a price far below what id be willing to pay for it. The question is, why should acts be so generous. Why should they effectively give me free money?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,594 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    At last a poster with a bit of sense, this is pure manipulation and in fairness if people are gullible enough to be drawn into the hype of 'must see' fcukkery, and buy into the manipulation, well its on themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭GreenPanda99


    Id love to know what the total ticket haul was in the end :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,523 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    My bloody valentine aren't metal but would shake a stadium 😀my clothes started flapping like I was in front of a jet engine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,594 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,602 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    you gotta love the opinions of those that advocate for this extreme form of capitalism, free market libertarian's etc, there is no justification in these hyper inflated prices, there is no fairness in this behavior, this is not a case of supply and demand and equilibriums, this is blatant price gouging….

    im glad to see other countries are starting to stand up and say, enough is enough….

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20r26p7d0ro



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭ericzeking


    But the old school touts outside the ground weren't selling the volume of tickets at inflated prices that TM are?

    Touting was a minor issue that has been nuked by the corporates, with the happy coincidence that they are creaming it themselves now.

    They got rid of the big bad touts in their overcoats, we should be so grateful eh!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,241 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Why should a band sell tickets, a luxury good, to me for less than me or someone else is willing to pay for it?

    What did I do to deserve a discount?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭Fanirish


    anyone can rent the 3 arena. Board members could chip together if they wanted to rent it.
    Mcd have not used vicar st or aiken has not olympia/ academy venues which are run/ operated by mcd.
    Oasis may have asked for some or all of their guarantee fee to be paid over. That’s for promoter to pay without touching ticket revenue . Promoter does not have any access to that 33m and won’t be paid any monies till a week after the shows occur.
    All monies required to be paid to put on the shows are liability of mcd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭crl84


    Yes, they could have.

    And the outcome would still be the same.

    If anything, this is arguably a worse system as those who got the cheapest tickets would instead have to have paid more for them.
    I got my seated tickets for €125 each. Everyone I know who got standing got them for €167 or whatever it was. We would all have had to have paid more if there weren't a small amount of people paying €400 for standing tickets towards the end of the sale.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,410 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I for one amn't saying these practices are correct and proper but greed has been around since the dawn of time.

    In this case of this type of thing: if you don't like these practices then don't engage with them. It's pretty straight forward not to engage with them.

    Some people seem to have lost all sense of individual responsibility and even more seem to be easily whipped up into a frenzy over something as non life and death as this!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭crl84


    Spot on.

    And to use the concert analogy, I've bought "Loyalty Tickets" for All Together Now and Electric Picnic. Someone who buys a ticket later will pay more, despite us both having the exact same experience.


    Likewise, most festivals now offer Early Bird/Tiered ticket pricing. Someone who buys now will get a cheaper ticket than someone that buys a week before the festival, or buys after the allocation of Early Bird tickets sells out.

    They still have the exact same experience, despite paying different prices for no reason other than the organiser/promoter deciding to divvy up tickets into different price brackets based on perceived demand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,241 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Touting was a major enough issue for people to lobby politicians to have it banned here.

    And yes the corporates are creaming it. The online sales and dynamic pricing model allows them to extract near the full market value for tickets.

    The only really unfair part of this system is the random allocation of your place to enter into the market. It is a lottery to whether you will be offered a low price by being early into the market or a high price by being a late comer. Participants do not choose when they can enter the market.

    That aspect really is on ticketmaster and how they operate and indeed charge their booking fee for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭Fanirish


    touts were operating at an industrial scale in the uk and ireland there has been uk court cases which show that.
    thing is that dynamic pricing only affected a small portion of oasis tickets. Maybe a few thousand across both nights were designated as such



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,273 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's basically the well off just cornering off another piece of life for themselves.

    "Just don't buy it if you can't afford a luxury item" is a lovely code to live by for the people who can afford it. Sure why not just make all luxury items the preserve of the rich and happy keep our poor mouths shut about the situation too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭fafy


    bottom line here is, Oasis/management authorised the dynamic pricing which is not illegal in the EU, so long as total price is advised to consumers prior to purchase.

    https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-002400-ASW_EN.html

    This pricing model is optional, and most bands do not allow it, some do, like Oasis.

    Whats more interesting to me, is there were no extra Dublin gigs announced, which they could have played, and demand was certainly there, which leads me to believe there is another act who has dates booked, for earlier in the year around May/June as the GAA calendar is closed off for gigs throughout most of June, and all of July up to mid August.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,602 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    its not a discount, such practices are clearly gouging, to pit humans against other humans, the whole process is designed to manipulate basic, fundamental and critical emotional needs and wants, art is in fact one of the most critical of human needs, this is why we form deep bonds with our favorite acts, now we have entities simply trying to play on these critical needs, and extract as much from the process, so that they accumulate more and more. there was once a feeling of mutual benefit, these entities made some money from the process, and fans got to see their favorite acts, but now the tides are turning, most fans are now simply getting fcuked, and they know it!

    its actually not a luxury good, humans have always had a very close connection with art, including and in particular with music, this goes all the way back to the cave…

    …the difference now is, we ve commodified the whole process, leading to hyper monopolisation of the whole industry, most artists are making a grand total of fcuk all from this process, only major acts cleaning up, winners taking all…..

    …if people want to keep seeing more and more new acts being formed, this approach needs to change as young acts generally cant make any money from it…

    ….a member from one of my own favorite bands recently admitted, hes now a glorified t-shirt sales guy, as this is truly how he makes money now, after 40 years of playing professionally, somethings not right there! he is regularly asked by younger musicians, how to make a living from music, he has no advice for them, only, maybe do something else!

    …the whole process is fcuked!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,489 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,410 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Sorry, but seeing Oasis Live isn't on the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

    Time for some perspective.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,489 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    So touting was a "minor issue" now? Mother of God! How quickly those forget……… or choose to forget in order for it to fit into their outrage!



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