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Oasis Reunion. Its finally happening😱

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,884 ✭✭✭✭siblers




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,675 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    I don't mean this in a confrontational way but why should you be told all that information as a ticket buyer? Why should Ticketmaster be forced to tell buyers that information?

    You or I have no entitlement to that information from a private company. We're not owed anything by ticketmaster or the artist.

    (I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see it myself because of course it would be hugely helpful to me as a buyer. But it's a private company, why am I suddenly entitled to it simply because I deem it "not fair").



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭Duffy98


    Why on earth should it be a secret what the price of the tickets are? In all fairness I've been to close to 30-40 gigs this year and I can count on one hand the amount of them that have given the ticket prices in advance which is pathetic, I understand they make their money from touring as streaming has killed physical sales, fair enough understandable.

    But they know what they're doing, announce 9am on a monday, you worry all week about getting the tickets, if youra die-hard get the pre-sale access sign up (used to guage demand), you go in and more than likely get thrown the **** seats.

    Oasis example, people answered/googled a question, given a code have no issues at all jump in and get each ticket at face value no gouging or anything, next day people hop on who didn't get the poxy email have to pay 3-4 times the price because they wern't afforded the same privilege? I'm all for a free market but that goes out the window when you create a two tier system via a ballot,

    if it was a case of no ballot and a free for all, you can't complain because everyone's in the same boat, but when you're creating a two tier system you can't justify it.

    I wouldn't actually mind knowing how it works the demand side of it,

    • Does a purchase need to be made on the ticket
    • Do I simply need to just click on the ticket
    • Is it based on traffic to the event
    • If a show is selling poorly e.g the black keys did horribly, do tickets go down (they don't….) to a rate where they'll create a demand.

    I'd actually be interested to know what the criteria is because you could very easily create fake traffic and automate systems to artifically create demand, it's not difficult to write a script that just hovers on ticketmaster all day long, its absolutley widespread in the case of the Premier League



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Damon Albarn is ostracised generally, other than from his own label. It's only through Parlophone he has any voice anymore, and they're the reason Blur and Gorillaz can still gig. He even speaks out against his own label, and openly refuses to write what he deems a "commercial hit". Parlophone just let him do what he wants now and will release whatever for him on a small scale, just to hold onto Gorillaz due to their past success, and because he's one of the few songwriters left.

    But they find him difficult to deal with, and is not giving much back to them anymore, in the way of money or success, and he does it intentionally. Only for the fact he's one of the last high profile songwriters, any other artist would have been dropped long ago. They even tried to put him to work with Adele, forced him even for all the financial support with no return they give him, and he hardly even bothered. Won't let the likes of xfactor or Glee use his songs, which is an easy money maker for his label, and they couldn't even get that off him.

    If Parlophone dropped him, he'd be out completely, no one else in the mainstream industry wants to deal with him, as he's difficult due to being against everything they do and stand for. As I said, Parlophone would of dropped any other artist long ago, only he's one of the last high profile songwriters left.

    Why would anyone in the industry, or media outlet, give him much time with anything, if he's detrimental to them all financially? And actively does his best to speak out against them, and more worryingly for them, turn fellow musicians against them like Billie Eilish, where he would have influence and sway!

    The name "Damon Albarn" in itself isn't a household name anymore, and none of the younger generation would have a clue. But Gorillaz and Blur are, and everyone inside the industry would know who he is. So within the industry itself, from their point of view, he does have a worryingly big influence.

    Most songwriters would be big fans of him, see how upset Taylor Swift was when he criticised her, she made it public. She generally doesn't get into that sort of stuff publically, but did on this occassion as she was so upset, as she always looked up to him. And she's the biggest "act" in the world. So ye, the industry generally try to shut him out, publically, and if Parlophone dropped him, you'd hear nothing much about him again!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,831 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Not true .

    Some big bands treat their fans with respect and refuse to engage with dynamic ticket pricing by the likes of LiveNation.

    Like the Cure who famously threatened to cancel their US gigs on their sold out Lost World tour if fans were not refunded their money and tickets sold at the reasonable prices they themselves stipulated . stipulated

    We paid 87 for standing tickets in 3Arena on this tour and they played a wonderful setlist for nearly 3 hours . Merchandise was reasonable too .

    People have choices about how much they spend on artists and gigs and if you choose to pay the inflated prices like TS , Coldplay Oasis et al are asking , you are choosing to pay gougers and to increase prices exponentially for no reason except to fuel the greed of those asking for these prices.

    This money does nothing to help the industry but soaks up any spare money that might be spent on those going to smaller up and coming bands who are keeping the smaller venues going . Without these smaller gigs those venues will and are closing (UK has seen many close their doors recently and directly attribute it to big stadium concerts )

    I said earlier in the thread I saw Noel play an excellent 2.5 hour set in Kilmainham just a year ago for 50 odd euro presale .

    People are just pure nuts paying prices like mentioned on this thread or have more money than sense

    or than they need .

    Justifying it by saying " once in a lifetime " or" the kids made me do it " is just an excuse .

    They will play again if they are back together now , the greed factor will ensure that , and the kids don't have to have unreasonable sums spent on them to enjoy a day out .

    Those same kids won't be happy when dynamic pricing has them priced out of the concert going market as is happening now . Because people just have to have those tickets ..at any price !

    They will keep charging higher and higher prices if they think people will pay it .

    It is an industry increasingly populated by greedy gougers who are more interested in their image and how big a venue they can fill than the music and those paying the high prices are some genuine fans squeezed by all of this .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    It's not that impressive. Many bands who are big, could do what Coldplay have done, but wouldn't sell out like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,675 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    But the prices aren't a secret.

    When you get to the ticket selection page they're laid out in front of you. Nobody is pressing purchase on a ticket and finding out they've been charged more than they thought.

    You get to the ticket selection page and see a list of tickets and prices as they are there and then. You find no tickets for €150 as they're all gone. You find there are "in-demand" tickets there for €300 and you add them to your basket. That's the price. You can then make an informed decision. Plenty of people on this thread saw that inflated price and walked away.

    And anyway, if Ticketmaster advertised dynamic seats as "€200-€500 (subject to demand)", people would still be moaning.

    I got a ticket at 8.42am on Saturday and it wasn't a dynamically priced ticket.

    I'd like to see that information too but I'm only a ticket purchaser, I've no rights or entitlement to it from a private company. And just because I might feel screwed over, doesn't mean I suddenly have a right to see it. Concerts are not a public service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭waywill1966


    A poster mentioned this earlier, here is the link!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭Duffy98


    Ahh in fairness neither your nor me are aware of how much tickets are for any gig until we get to selection screen, up until then its deliberatley hidden from you bar the starting price which you'll never see or their the worst seats in the place, MCD will announce another artists gig tomorrow, they'll state the from price but thats it, I go to the event info and all you'll see is price: EUR and blank…, its hidden from you intentionally.

    Again, you fall into the hysteria of FOMO, I know people who paid 1.2k for two tickets who would think twice of paying 70 for a gig its mental, it needs to be clear how the demand is guaged is it from pure sales, traffic or just clicking on it because the latter you can artifically inflate.

    Sure for AC/DC in wembley I got gold circle no bother it was 150-170 pounds, i go on 10 minutes later and they are unavailable and then log on later to find they're now 350 pounds, but if I decide i dont want to go I have to sell them for what I paid while ticketmaster can sell that same ticket for 200 more, its just sinister.

    They are a private company but the tactics they use are disgraceful, I'm happy in a way I've seen pretty much all the acts I've wanted to see the last 7-8 years because it's just gotten to the stage where the greed is taking over unfortunatley, thats my take.

    I'd also like a geo-blocker / grace period to prevent international fans from hoovering up tickets or creating the chaos seen on Saturday (I understand a VPN would get around that to some degree),could use a phone number to establish country of origin etc. I just think for acts that barely come here, it would be great to give us a chance instead of people who have seen them X amount of times, anyway thats my thoughts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭Duffy98


    Yep, saw the cure went against dynamic pricing, unfortuantley they are the exception and not the rule, a lot of the acts primarily you'll see in the 3arena take on this platiunum dynamic pricing, I've been to tonnes of gigs you name it I've probably been at it, from the half full, barely full to sold out, my point in one of my other posts is that you never see it work the opposite way where a show is so poorly sold it actually goes down in price, you'll only ever see it go the other way.

    Saw Noel back in Malahide and St Annes and Liam three times, great gigs can't fault it and they were reasonable and tickets were obtainable at the best of times, I think what people have a problem with now is thats gone out the window and the two have been radio silent especially Liam who's always online, they're gonna have to address this at some point,

    I don't fault the bands for the merch costs, the 3arena / venue takes a cut of that so thats why it's so expensive, thats why bands now like Metallica, AC/DC, Rammstein etc. Rent out a space to sell all the merch, they keep the profits makes sense to me, cant fault them there at all more power to them.

    You can blame social media for why people who know nothing about an artist go to a gig, get the instagram pics, say they were there etc, saw a lot of that at AC/DC actually, its peoples money they earned it they can do what they like with it.

    Having gone to stadium shows, arenas etc, you'll never beat the small rooms I was lucky to see Muse in Berlin to 500 people when they were promoting their last album and zero dynamic pricing there, 80 euro and 500 people in a theatre, what more do you want



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Haven’t they said from the start, that they wanted to be rich and commercially successful?

    Best way to get rich is making as much money off your fans as possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,157 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Please ppl get behind the campaign to get Oasis to do a free concert at Knock Airport.

    We need to get momentum going to get them to commit to this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,275 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Do we assume no more Irish concerts or are they just planning it out behind the scenes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭Lemsiper


    I got mine for €127.25, albeit in the presale



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,157 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Micheal Healy Rae was on Newstalk earlier defending Live Nation - when asked if they have a monopoly he said maybe it’s because they are doing such a good job…utter joke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,405 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    no… you are right..

    No Band has …………

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    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭lukin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭ooter


    Surely it was used for Taylor Swift and Coldplay also?



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,314 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    Not too far away from the opinions of some on this forum too all said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    I'd say if there was, it would've been announced and already been added/tickets sold the same morning (similar to the Wembley extra dates)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,157 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    someone should let @The Golden Miller know there is a whole entire genre of rock, over 50 years old called “Heavy Metal” - far louder and heavier than the 60s/70s influenced radio pop rock of Oasis -

    so much so the big names of Heavy Metal would laugh at Oasis being described as “heavy”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,314 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    Equslly, why wouldn’t you be entitled to it? If i wasn’t to buy a phone I can clearly see various price levels based on functionality or memory etc. Should be the same with an event. If various ticket categories are on sale there should be a price published for each category. For one it helps me plan my expenditure and allows me as a consumer to decide my maximum spend, my requirement and a fallback requirement if the ticket I want isn’t available. Going back to the phone example, if I have to go to a shop to find out the price it’s one thing but it might also not be clear where the extra value lies for my extra expenditure. The one thing about a phone however is they’re around for a year. Once I’ve visited a shop I can get a feel for the price list and have ample time to then make up my mind. In arms case, I have maybe 7 minutes on learning the price of the ticket in order to make up my mind. So up front publication is consumer friendly. It’s about being above board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,275 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,235 ✭✭✭Ricosruffneck


    Anyone know when the ability to resell tickets came available for Coldplay.

    Just want to know if it's open currently for Oasis tickets so I can check occasionally over the year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 Jesus Murphy


    Dynamic pricing = Touting by ticketmaster and the promoter. Genius company. Lobby government ministers who you have in your back pocket to outlaw touting thus eliminating the competition then engage in it yourself knowing full well you have zero competition. Most companies 99% of them could only dream of lobbying governments to eliminate their competition like ticketmaster.

    I can't believe people paid €400 + to see a very washed up Oasis go through the motions in a field. Crazy.

    Social media and FOMO are two very powerful things.

    I can guarantee you also 99% of people who paid over the odds for Oasis didn't bother their holes to go see Liam Gallagher here earlier this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,081 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Christ, that’d be enough to make you consider putting your tickets up for resale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭Jaffa3000


    Resale was available a month or two before iirc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,157 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Wolfe tones as support would make sense - they are the Oasis of Irish rebel songs in terms of popularity.

    Huge cross over of fans - often you will hear a guy at a party doing wonder wall then get out yiz Black and Tans.



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