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Oasis Reunion. Its finally happening😱

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 nippy12


    Vip route is different. You have get extras. The in demand is the exact same standing ticket that was available in the pre sale and start of general release but jumped part of the way through to a higher price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,412 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Nobody HAS to buy anything.

    If the buyer is in a position where they feel they HAVE to buy something at the price stated despite that price being a multiple of hundreds of Euro then that really is on the buyer……….

    There's no doubt that there a shed load of marketing tactics being deployed to maximise the income for the artist and all involved, but marketers try to manipulate us all the time. Just say no.

    Plenty people said no to 415 euro standing tickets……it's a personal choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,031 ✭✭✭jj880


    But according to some here this explains dynamic pricing clearly:

    tm-dynamic-pricing-wording-jpg.jpg

    Other supporting arguments include:

    • no-one made them buy
    • theyre just a sap for not knowing others were getting the same tickets cheaper

    This dynamic pricing for concert tickets really is a gross practice.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,616 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    There IS a potential compromise. I mean the "On Demand" prices is legalised touting. I think everyone can agree with that. And there is nobody putting a gun to anyone's head to buy tickets. Again, I think everyone can agree to that.

    However, wording in the queue or popup can be updated dynamically. There should be an alert saying something like "All standard tickets for Standing, Seating etc are now sold out. On Demand, dynamic pricing tickets available. These prices can fluctuate due to demand. Click [HERE] to leave queue and return to ticketmaster.whatever"

    That way people who do NOT want to pay On Demand prices can leave the queue, reducing the queue and let them get back to whatever else they wanted to do on Ticketmaster. They don't even need to say how much they are going to be but everyone will know they are going to be MUCH higher. If someone decides to stay on the queue anyway and not purchase at the end then sobeit. But people could see this and go "Ah sh*te. Nah. I'm outahere. They are gonna be above what I want to pay by the time I get there"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,270 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    I bought 2 tickets to Bangkok in January with Etihad. €790 each. When I got to the payment screen that is what it was.

    Dynamic pricing = dishonest.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,279 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ide say some people here quietly love dynamic pricing because it keeps the tickets out of the hands of the plebs. More tickets to go round for the rich.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,937 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    It’s a sure sign of a weak argument and a poor debater when you have to invent strawman arguments against a point I didn’t make.

    nobody “manipulated” anyone. What are the “high pressure tactics”? It’s a fncking website like, it’s not like Ticketmaster are hounding you to buy. Buy it, don’t buy it, there’s no as shortage of people who will. What would you propose, give people as much time as they want to mull it over while half a million others are in the queue?

    “Inflated” price is a matter of perspective. Different things are worth different prices to different people.

    I’m not happy with this development btw, I would rather the old model of fixed amount at fixed prices but some of the reaction is beyond hysterical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    That was me. Full on excited all week and put 1000 into revolut in order to buy 4 tickets. That was my limit and the entirety of my rainy day fund. I’d be getting the money back for 2 of the tickets. Those people were doing the same.

    Got into the buy tickets section about 3/4pm. I can’t even remember the location. There were plenty of tickets available still but at ludacris prices. I couldn’t justify spending my entire rainy day fund on just 2 tickets. I’ve a feeling there were many people who were in the exact same position as me and the tickets sold to those who haven’t got to worry about money.

    I’m not bothering trying again if more dates are released. Liam & Noel deserve the online backlash that they’re getting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,412 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Again, when a person got out of the queue they were presented with the options available and prices associated with each. Just like you did for your flight. There may or may not have been a few different options - the options were clearly priced. If they selected an option the next scree (the payment screen) contained the price of the option they selected. Nothing different to your flights.

    Not a fan of dynamic pricing (I doubt any consumer is unless it might work in their favour? - does it ever?)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭GreenPanda99


    I dont know. I cant see how you can price control entertainment tickets. Its not like they are essential to keeping you alive. And price controls have totally destroyed other things, like the rental market.

    If I had room for 50 people to watch me sing and 100 people wanted to watch me, id let in the people who paid me the most money and wouldnt care where the other 50 went.

    Now the most money offered to see me sing would probably be negative.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,679 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    It's not legalised touting. Ticketmaster have not bought those tickets and resold them at a higher price. They are just being sold from the point of purchase at a higher price. Whilst Ticketmaster will get more money by virtue of the ticket being sold at a higher price, so will the artist. Touting is where I buy a ticket and resell it. But if they don't sell those tickets, nobody gets paid.

    I don't see an issue with your suggestion but I don't think that it will accomplish a huge amount in the grander scheme. People will still stay in the queue 'just in case' or to see what exactly the dynamic pricing is (because if its €40 more they might be fine with it vs €400 more). But you're right, TM usually post pop-up updates throughout the queue about availability so yeah, they could easily add that.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,973 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    There is absolutely no justification to rip fans off, person a paid 86.50 and are stood right beside person b who paid 415.50. its just pure greed, all the tickets were in demand so all should have been subject to in demand pricing…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,131 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Dynamic pricing essentially means that prices increase as time elapses.

    "You don't have to buy anything, it's a choice" is an argument that misses the point.

    If your local supermarket charged more for groceries as the day went on you'd be rightly annoyed by it.

    Demand wasn't exactly unexpected for Oasis tickets, so for prices to increase for being "in demand" is a nonsense position.

    At what point does "in demand" become the standard? When 50% of tickets are sold? All tickets were going to be sold anyway, a good number of customers were penalised for falling foul of the randomised nature of online queueing.

    It's the wild west out there with ticket sales currently, monopolies should never be tolerated in any sector, there's a reasonable argument to be made about this issue that goes beyond peoples noses being out of joint.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭CuriousCucumber


    Dublin tickets were gotten via presale on Friday night

    London gig were purchased around 10:50 on Saturday morning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭ericzeking


    Anyone watch Justin Hawkins (the Darkness) youtube, I find him interesting and entertaining….anyway, he said that what this says to him is that Oasis opting in to the Dynamic pricing indicates that there is no plan to tour regularly afterword or to make more music as the DP would not especially ingratiate the fanbase to come along for the ride and it's basically a money grab to get as much as possible for this one off exercise.

    That brings me on to another point. If it is as such and the two boys still aren't best buddies, then these gigs will be them just going through the motions and will not only be not great but certainly not 500 bob a ticket great.

    Anyone, who saw Oasis back in the day knows that there were lots of times the boys just phoned it in. I saw them in Slane in 2009 just before the implosion and they could have easily just put on a CD…now that day was also soured by missing all of Kasabian queuing for pints and the bus fiasco to get out of it…and the p!ss.

    The long and the short of it is Knebworth or Maine Road, these gigs will not be.

    Here's me justifying not going…but if I get offered one of the regular ~200 quid tickets I might…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,686 ✭✭✭Jaffa3000


    The most popular musicians charge more for their concerts. This should come as no surprise because like the rest of use they are human and driven by money. There is nothing to justify because it doesn’t need justifying.

    I can’t claim to understand why a multimillionaire with enough to money to last well after he’s gone wants another million but that is their right if they wish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 607 ✭✭✭swededmonkey


    I had flagged ticketmaster’s behaviour after ACDC tickets went on sale this year with 5 local td’s. I got two separate responses from Simon Coveney’s office basically saying, we know it happens, they have the autonomy to apply dynamic pricing to a handful of concerts per year and there’s f**k all you can do about it. Miceal Martin calling for a review is paying lip service and nothing more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,679 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    I've booked flights where people around me have paid more or less than I have. And stayed in a hotel where people have paid more or less than I have.

    What's the difference here?

    Is it pure greed from Oasis (or in my example, Ryanair or a hotel chain)? Sure. But greed isn't illegal.

    Ultimately, if someone doesn't like the price, don't pay it. The calls for government intervention (not from you) because a mature adult is unable to make a financial decision on a concert ticket is bewildering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,747 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Supply and demand is not the issue here.

    The total amount of tickets was known in advance. And the demand was known in advance. So this dynamic model is just a Gallagher money grab.

    They had the power to allow dynamic pricing or not.

    It's not like peak date Hotels and Uber. People using this analogy are idiots.

    The Gallaghers are probably laughing and sneering at the fallout and controversy like they always have done. Rubbing their two fingers together. They don't give a crap, Have never given a crap. The money is probably divvied out already amongst them.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,412 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    You don't have to buy a ticket - it is a choice - is a simple fact.

    I don't see what other point there is on this particular issue - same with your shop.

    A few million people bought tickets for these gigs (UK and Ireland) - and there were probably 2 or 3 times that in queues to buy tickets for these gigs. Lets say you didn't have dynamic pricing - at what point do you think that market of 5 million or so people would have decided "Enough is enough"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,616 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    I consider any abusive pricing such as this "Touting" but that's neither here nor there and that's all I'll say about that.

    Yeah, you will get people (certainly initially) hanging in there "just in case". It's human nature. But not everyone will. And certainly, if this is allowed to continue, more and more people will stop hanging in there. Certainly after a period of time.

    Sure, if you were at 100 in the queue and this popped up, you'd likely stay "Just to have a look" and hope. But if you were 200K in the queue and it took you 2 hours to get from 300K to 200K, are you likely to stay in line for another couple of hours when it pops up saying "All initial tickets sold out. On Demand pricing in effect"? For some, yes. For people with a more casual interest? Probably not. Imagine how fast the queue would drop if everyone who backed out after 4 hours knew they were probably going to be charged 2-3 times initial price and would back out anyway. People who are willing to pay the On Demand price can stay on the (Now shorter) queue. The tickets will sell out. The On Demand tickets will sell out. People will still pay what they are willing to pay. People unable or unwilling to pay the higher cost won't and will feel let down/angry/disappointed.

    People SHOULD be given the opportunity to exit the queue and go back to try another queue or simply do something else on Ticketmaster.

    Edit: Typo

    Post edited by TheIrishGrover on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,412 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Yeah, this would be preferable to wasting hours in a queue alright - messages advising what price points remained etc - had I known earlier that the lowest priced tickets still left while I was 10K in the queue were now 415 euro each, I would have exited there.

    I'd think though that their back end infrastructure would need to be scaled appropriately to handle that type of thing - it could barely handly what was significant demand on it over the weekend in fairess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,270 ✭✭✭✭fits


    if I was offered tickets for 176 euro now I wouldn’t take them. They aren’t worth it. 127 maybe.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 503 ✭✭✭Annani


    This thread is so depressing. Those of you defending this need to give your head a wobble.

    There is zero justification for charging more on Saturday morning for standing tickets than what was paid on the presale on Friday night. Zero.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,679 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Yeah I think that's a fair approach. Ticketmaster currently pop up messages when tickets are limited or there are only VIP tickets left (like they did for Taylor Swift) so there's no reason why they can't have one saying that "only in-demand pricing tickets" remain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Avon8


    There's a bit of misconception that this was 'surge' pricing similar to say Uber, or that the prices went up once demand was high

    There was a set amount of tickets and the vast majority went on sale at regular prices. There's a small portion set aside as "platinum" ticket options, which usually includes some sort of crap like merchandise or a pre-party. Same for Coldplay, Taylor Swift etc. In this case LiveNation were just being lazy and added an option with no additional crap, which is what's getting people's backs up. They still make up a small percentage of overall tickets

    There was a presale the night before where these were available alongside the regular tickets, and obviously people only bought the regular prices ones. Same the following morning when there was 700k in the queue, the first in bought all the regular tickets immediately. So then when the vast majority of people got in, there was only this segment of tickets left, which most obviously baulked at buying

    Not defending the practice but it wasn't something decided on the fly. Fairly sure it's not the band deciding it either, they're given a set percentage of revenue from the promoter (and were clearly happy to milk it), and the promoter monitizes as it best sees fit. In this instance the promoter (MCD) and the ticket supplier are one and the same, LiveNation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭watchclocker


    There was platinum standing tickets available separately and these were available from the start but were actually cheaper than the final standing price

    What showed up later was 'in demand standing ticket' for 415



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,679 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    In this case LiveNation were just being lazy and added an option with no additional crap, which is what's getting people's backs up.

    This isn't accurate. VIP/Premium tickets are not the same as Platinum tickets and never have been.

    VIP/Premium tickets always include perks and extras and are the same price to the first person in the queue as the last person.

    Platinum tickets never include perks and have a variable price.

    They are set and sold entirely differently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭CuriousCucumber


    Say for simplicity, there were 80,000 tickets available.

    20,000 are standing and 60,000 are seating

    Would you have rather the following?

    Tickets prices announced as follows:

    Standing:

    0 - 3,000 - €100

    3,001 - 10,000 - €176

    10,001 - 20,000 - €415

    Seating:

    0 - 18,000 - €150

    10,001 - 30,000 - €250

    30,001 - 60,000 - €500

    It's not much different to what happened. You would have still queued, and only when you got in, would you have known what number you were, and had to pay the price regardless



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,279 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I think what people want is for a standing ticket to cost the same for everyone.

    You know the way concerts were done since the dawn of concerts.

    Yes we know "it's their right" and "I don't have to buy" that doesn't mean I dont get to call Oasis greedy €unts for allowing it. They are helping ruin the industry that created them as far as I'm concerned.



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