Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

then lecture them not me - but I wouldn’t call them “opposition supporters” either - they’re simply exercising their right not to vote - one abstention is very unlikely to swing an election so really even talking about this is pointless, except of course for those who wish to antagonise other posters - come back to me when there’s a mass movement in America calling on all Harris supporters to abstain from voting for Harris- then i might listen - but one person abstaining? It’s fcking madness to even spend time making an issue of that and it’s completely illogical to call that person a Trump supporter when abstaining from voting for either

We have seen many Trump supporters do the whole 'both sides' false equivalences.
It is a social media tactic.

Why are you posting? You're just "antagonising" (your words not mine) other posters.

And taking a step back further, if you take your post to its logical conclusion it is madness posting here about a US election. You don't have a vote do you? Nor do I.

Why discuss any position, Trump supporter, abstainer, whatever. The position doesn't matter.

We're discussing the implications of the conduct, we can expect similar discussions to be happening on discussion boards with large cohorts of US voters too.

The turnout in the last election was high but still almost a third of voters didn't vote.

They acknowledged that Trump is a rapist and a felon.

They aren't bothered enough about that to vote to keep him out of office.
Implicitly, they are ok with having such an individual as their President.

The fact of that is far worse than a label like 'Trump supporter'.

Trumps interview with Dr Phil is quite something.

Trump claims that God must have saved him from the shooter because “He wants me to save the world.”

A man who has broken almost every commandment and has never confessed a sin must be saved in order to deport all the foreigners and give the super wealthy nice tax cuts (saving the world).

Maybe Trump is the second coming?

Trump is a malignant narcissist with boundless self delusion. He will sell anyone out in order to further his own aims. This has been evident to anyone paying attention for years. The fact that around 70 million people are about to vote for this charlatan for a third time reflects so badly on America as a whole. For me anyway.

" These people are the people that need to take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror and see which vision of America they're least against  coming down the road and vote accordingly.

This.

While ignoring that there was a bipartisan bill on the border, agreed in committee… backed by unions… all set to pass until Trump ordered his lickspittles in the House to block it. Even though it had stuff in it Republicans are calling for.
Proof positive Trump just using it as a political football, so he could keep trying to stoke fears about a 'crisis'.

Anybody who claims to be concerned about the border while ignoring that has no credibility.

But name calling other posters is not helpful - I’d prefer to discuss the ins and outs and potential reasons in the last sentence of your post than go any further taking about abstainers as it’s going nowhere. Points are made on both sides and we’re not going to agree- I’m leaving it there- others can do what they like

Calling someone a Trump supporter, in a thread discussing a two horse race between Harris and Trump… is name calling?

It is not name calling, it is teasing out their actual position.

Well unless we're agreed Trump's depravity is such his mere name is on the level of 'Nazi'.

The hilarious part is that if Trump fails to get re-elected, they'll never consider that God wanted him to lose. They'll never consider their own logic that God wanted Trump to win and even saved him from being assassinated, but the Dems are seemingly so powerful (more powerful than God) that they were somehow still able to beat God's own chosen selection for President.

The article you presented earlier also disproves that Harris was in charge of the border, you realise this right?

For sure, but Harris is a former District Attorney and Attorney General whilst Trump is a convicted criminal, who has had multiple other allegations of wrongdoing and criminality made against him. I wouldn't quite buy the 'both sides' argument here.

I wonder how many Americans who claim to be devout Christian’s have actually read the bible, considering the right wing seem to paint Jesus as a gun-loving, foreigner-hating, liberal-bashing American. If the Jesus from the bible came back they’d hate him!

I’m gonna guess very few actually have and get their religious opinions from those obscenely rich evangelical ranters they see on TV.

You quoted (without citation) an interview as some kind of proof that she was in charge of the border, which it didn't