Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

It is exactly what it means.

You are putting them on the same level. You think both have such flaws that are disqualifying enough they shouldn't be President.

Is Harris a fit and proper person to be President? What are her disqualifying flaws to rank alongside Trump being a rapist and felon?

Nothing you have put forward in your 'perceived flaws' remotely puts Harris in that space. Nothing.
A point you haven't even tried to refute, or establish.

You think you will be more represented by a rapist like Trump than these flaws you are desperately trying to find in Harris?
How does Harris not represent you therefore? She is an actual democrat first before she is a Democrat, unlike Trump.
That is an over-arching representation, even if you disagree on policy, that Harris and the Democrats are not stealing elections.

You're just looking for reasons not to vote for Harris.

A vote is more often than not an expression of disapproval of the other side as much as full approval of who you actually vote for. Especially in a two horse first past the post race.

You have no preference for Harris over a rapist and a felon? None at all?

Which means you are ok with a rapist and a felon being President. That is an endorsement that such a person is a fit and proper person to be President, by not opposing it, it is tacit approval.
You think a rapist and a felon represents you as much as Harris would, though you cant put forward points as to why.

keep it up

you were. And you just have been again. No excuse now.

And if the border is such a concern in terms of who 'represents' you, completely ignoring Trump and the Republicans blocking the previously agreed bipartisan border bill… just to wreck things.

That's a vote for Trump by the back door then.

You must never vote in Irish elections if you work off such criteria... By choosing to not vote, of you and up with dangerous people in power, you're in effect viewing that as an acceptable result.

Not casting a vote in the US presidential election does not lead to the same outcome as abstaining from voting in an Irish general election as well you know.

So why are you posting? Then what are you doing on an Irish discussion site, you have no vote, and you don't think either candidate represents you, though you can't clarify why Harris cannot represent you.

I "get" to call out the consequences and implications of you being unable to determine the political and moral difference between Harris and Trump. Or of someone in such a position with a vote.

You have no preference for Harris over a rapist and a felon. Which means you are ok with a rapist and a felon being President. That is an endorsement that such a person is a fit and proper person to be President, by not opposing it, it is tacit approval.

Regardless of how you 'feel' about it, that is the consequence of such a decision.
It is tacit approval in what is effectively a two horse first past the post race.
So in America you would be ok with Trump being President, you see no material difference between a rapist and a felon and Harris, such that would lead you to vote for Harris.

You said you wanted to have a discussion, you said Harris doesn't represent you - you were asked why not… you couldn't offer any sort of coherent reply.

This point was put to you:
How does Harris not represent you therefore? She is an actual democrat first before she is a Democrat, unlike Trump.

You talk of 'earning' your vote? Trump isn't trying to earn your vote, he tried to steal the last election that he lost fair and square. He is no democrat.
So in a ballot between an actual democrat and an election stealer, the actual democrat hasn't "earned your vote"?

Your claims here have no credibility.

The end result of many people abstaining like that will be a rapist and a felon as President, and a very real possibility of Trump rigging the 2028 as he tried to steal 2020.
So talk of 'earning a vote' will be an irrelevence.

doesn’t matter a damn - same logic applies- a non-vote is one less vote for one person or party or issue.

What I’m aghast at, is the logic -or lack thereof- considering Democrats and Republicans are often dyed in the wool of that party, just because they can’t get themselves to vote for their own candidate doesn’t mean they’re in an asses roar of going anywhere near the opposing side.
What impact it has on the election overall will be down to just how many people abstain, from which parties and in which crucial states - that’s the only time abstainers may impact the outcome - likelihood is it will be a neutral impact overall -but to place some philosophical label on them that has no meaning in logic - I don’t vote for x therefore I am a y supporter- is completely devoid of logic and frankly laughable - it’s just an excuse by some posters to keep going with their “Trump supporter” labels on other posters they don’t agree with - plain as that.

Did it not turn out the donation was from somebody of the same name in a different area?

Do you disagree with this so?

Your vote is your power on who or who does not get the presidency.

If you abstain, you are choosing to not use the power of your vote.

Some people really don't like them equally so they abstain or bite third party - theres not many of them.

Some people vote third party for philosophical reasons and as a protest vote on another matter.

I would hazard a guess that the vast majority of abstainers, would fit into, "I vote x party all my life, but I cant vote for the person running to be president of that party. I can't vote for the other party because of history, so I'll abstain."

These people are the people that need to take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror and see which vision of America they're least against coming down the road and vote accordingly.