Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Not much point giving it thought. There is no realistic sustainable future of this country where there is a hard border with the North. There isn't any way that the governments either side of the border have the appetite for miring themselves once more in the torturous issue of how you effectively police the border (to hard border standards). The most we will see are the odd checks and targeted interceptions.

What's more, the British have the stronger hand in this. There is no incentive for them to administer a hard border (and to co-fund that administration) as the easy movement of migrants from North to South is likely to be the more attractive flow path than South to North. There doesn't appear to be much incentive for the Northern executive and British state to plug that gap.

I've a solution for her and anyone else not happy with the conditions….

Feel free to get yourself to the airport, get on a plane, and go try a country that might be more to your liking. If they got themselves to Ireland from wherever, that should be an easy enough task.

No one is forcing her or anyone to stay. It's not a prison camp.

I said something related but it certainly wasn't my intention to claim anybody was part of a cohort with mental illness.

I don't believe discussing deportations is taboo I just recall @twinytwo as having made strong claims on the subject previously, but as I said, maybe it was a different poster.

Not trying to be cheeky here but taking a view of "if it's done properly it won't be too much of an inconvenience" could be applied to pretty much anything.

It's not just how you actually implement a border, but also how you make that implementation sustainable and maintain perpetual public buy-in. I'm from just north of the border myself and I really don't see how you would go about getting buy in from the border communities on a permanent basis.

I've said this many times on here. A fully focused operation involving armed British soldiers, helicopters, watchtowers, checkpoints and surveillance technology did not manage to prevent the routine movement of people and contraband across the border for decades. A much less-equipped and less-resourced effort by the Irish state to harden the border — with what will be (at best) half-hearted co-operation from the British if they even co-operate at all — will amount to little more than ineffective and potentially extremely costly (economically and politically) optics.

ah, since we are on the subject of previous contributions this is exactly what you said, this just serves as a reminder to anyone trying to engage in good faith conversations with you demonstrating how you feel about anyone with different views to yourself:

“Just a reminder that a lot of the views expressed here regarding people who seek asylum and other immigrants can be indicative of mental health issues”

I’ll leave out the latter part where you suggested posters should seek help and linked off to a service.

Since you didn’t clarify which posts you were referring to in that catch all “reminder”… one can only assume you meant anyone with an opposing view to yourself on this matter.

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Back on the subject of deportation - would you take issue with someone being deported back to Jordan(like in the case above) ? Personally I feel palastinians and within Israel but especially in Gaza could be considered refugees - but did they not already get somewhere safe in Jordan if that’s the route they took to get to Ireland? Furthermore did they not get to safety in Turkey? So why should we entertain asylum claims from people who got their much needed safety but seek an upgrade on their prospects via illegal means and under bogus pretense… obviously the government and state bodies ,

Responsible for this have proven that they cannot/will not do it but the question I’m asking is why should we not do it?

I am not the one moaning.

Wait, are you the guy that was on about some made up story involving his "cousin's brother"?

Hard border up North is not a solution. Still say we need to work with UK to protect around both islands. Anyone arriving illegally on a boat to UK mainland or Ireland, ship em back.

so I’ve looked at all bar the last 2, you sort of lost credibility with each link you posted for the following reasons:

1. The attached papers mostly reference immigration on the whole. I’m sorry but it has been clearly stated since the start of the thread that this conversation is around Ireland refugees policy not general immigration
2. The third last link you shared talks about racism. I think this point speaks for itself.
3. I suspect you didn’t post the titles as that would clearly show the above two points.
4. Many of the links shared refer to anxiety as the primary symptom. Are citizens wrong to be anxious?
5. Do you have access to all of those papers in full or are you depending on the abstract to inform yourself?
6. I can’t comment on the data as none appears to be present to back up the claims, but if you have access to some Of those platforms you might be able to show some tables or other data sets that confirm a link between people with mental illness(ideally not anxiety) and having an opinion on refugee policy.

I just got stupider from reading your post.

Tuam, Co.Galway getting the old “don’t worry, it’s families” line.
Local FG council man Pete Roche describes protesters as “rebels without a cause”.

Take from that what you will.

Sounds poor tbf but if you or I moved to a new country with the just the shirt on our back what would we expect? it appears the Government are just counting numbers then wiping their hands of it ……not to mention those raking money in on the whole deal, throw in angry and pissed off native communities and it all equates to one big **** sandwich

Not withstanding that yes they could go home, but everything she said is what the communities up and down the country are saying when the rumours start about ipas taking over a disused building. No facilities, no doctors, no services, no schools etc etc. Everything we say, all our concerns are justified, and will come to bare fruit over time.

How O'Gorman and his department haven't been pulled to task over this is beyond me.

Leaving state provided accomodation is completely different to leaving the state.

A key stat worth knowing would be the numbers leaving state provided accomodation to live in state assisted private accommodation. That could be eye opening.

Another example of the perfectly well oiled process that ROG and his department has provided for us.

I will reiterate my point again...What I don't understand is why all these buildings that have been repurposed to house 'IPAs', particularly in cities…why are they are not being repurposed to house students, to house single parent families, to house families, to house young professionals, to house front line staff. People who are now in genuine need in this society and we NEED them.

I'm specifically talking about to help Irish people and not people who arrived off a plane with no passport 2 weeks ago.

What a diabolical mess.