Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534567#Comment_122534567

Not trying to be cheeky here but taking a view of "if it's done properly it won't be too much of an inconvenience" could be applied to pretty much anything.

It's not just how you actually implement a border, but also how you make that implementation sustainable and maintain perpetual public buy-in. I'm from just north of the border myself and I really don't see how you would go about getting buy in from the border communities on a permanent basis.

I've said this many times on here. A fully focused operation involving armed British soldiers, helicopters, watchtowers, checkpoints and surveillance technology did not manage to prevent the routine movement of people and contraband across the border for decades. A much less-equipped and less-resourced effort by the Irish state to harden the border — with what will be (at best) half-hearted co-operation from the British if they even co-operate at all — will amount to little more than ineffective and potentially extremely costly (economically and politically) optics.

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535613#Comment_122535613

Oh you want to draw me into your good moan? No thanks.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535543#Comment_122535543

ah, since we are on the subject of previous contributions this is exactly what you said, this just serves as a reminder to anyone trying to engage in good faith conversations with you demonstrating how you feel about anyone with different views to yourself:

“Just a reminder that a lot of the views expressed here regarding people who seek asylum and other immigrants can be indicative of mental health issues”

I’ll leave out the latter part where you suggested posters should seek help and linked off to a service.

Since you didn’t clarify which posts you were referring to in that catch all “reminder”… one can only assume you meant anyone with an opposing view to yourself on this matter.

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Back on the subject of deportation - would you take issue with someone being deported back to Jordan(like in the case above) ? Personally I feel palastinians and within Israel but especially in Gaza could be considered refugees - but did they not already get somewhere safe in Jordan if that’s the route they took to get to Ireland? Furthermore did they not get to safety in Turkey? So why should we entertain asylum claims from people who got their much needed safety but seek an upgrade on their prospects via illegal means and under bogus pretense… obviously the government and state bodies ,

Responsible for this have proven that they cannot/will not do it but the question I’m asking is why should we not do it?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535291#Comment_122535291

Actively discriminating against nearly 1 million Irish citizens in Northern Ireland in order to keep a few asylum seekers out would not seem the wisest of policies.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535662#Comment_122535662

I am not the one moaning.

Wait, are you the guy that was on about some made up story involving his "cousin's brother"?

creeper1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534485#Comment_122534485

What did he say that was so bad?

We don't know the context and I can surmise that they have been giving trouble and making demands.

He says they will lose privileges. They must have done something for that action to be taken.

Panthro

Hard border up North is not a solution. Still say we need to work with UK to protect around both islands. Anyone arriving illegally on a boat to UK mainland or Ireland, ship em back.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535663#Comment_122535663

I think the relationship between some anti-asylum and anti-immigration sentiment and possible mental health issues is well established, and I posted the same out of concern for people's welfare.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/pops.12034

https://www.psychiatry.org/File%20Library/Psychiatrists/Directories/Library-and-Archive/resource_documents/rd2010_Xenophobia.pdf

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2007-13595-012

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/00027642241240344

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/pops.12540 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/out-the-darkness/201801/the-psychology-racism

https://www.simplypsychology.org/xenophobia-fear-of-strangers.html

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797620929977

Stating that isn't intended to, or should, invalidate anybody's political beliefs. I think there's some, not all, otherwise very decent people who might espouse these views as a coping mechanism during a period of social, economic and political uncertainty. Likewise for some people embracing anti-immigration ideologies might be a risk factor leading to worse mental health outcomes.

Here's the boards thread on mental health supports around Covid-19 which I think might be helpful if some people are concerned about how they might be feeling.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058062109/mental-health-and-covid-19#latest

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535952#Comment_122535952

so I’ve looked at all bar the last 2, you sort of lost credibility with each link you posted for the following reasons:

1. The attached papers mostly reference immigration on the whole. I’m sorry but it has been clearly stated since the start of the thread that this conversation is around Ireland refugees policy not general immigration
2. The third last link you shared talks about racism. I think this point speaks for itself.
3. I suspect you didn’t post the titles as that would clearly show the above two points.
4. Many of the links shared refer to anxiety as the primary symptom. Are citizens wrong to be anxious?
5. Do you have access to all of those papers in full or are you depending on the abstract to inform yourself?
6. I can’t comment on the data as none appears to be present to back up the claims, but if you have access to some Of those platforms you might be able to show some tables or other data sets that confirm a link between people with mental illness(ideally not anxiety) and having an opinion on refugee policy.

DaithiMa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535952#Comment_122535952

A pretty disgusting argument even by your standards. So you think most of the people who have a problem with Ireland's immigration policy are probably suffering from mental illness?

I wasn't going to lower myself but these articles seem to suggest otherwise.

https://magazine.columbia.edu/article/why-depression-rates-are-higher-among-liberals

https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2023/03/how-to-understand-the-well-being-gap-between-liberals-and-conservatives/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ie/blog/unique-everybody-else/202103/personality-traits-mental-illness-and-ideology

10000maniacs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535952#Comment_122535952

I just got stupider from reading your post.

Lofidelity

A new campsite has popped up in Ranelagh

thomas 123

Tuam, Co.Galway getting the old “don’t worry, it’s families” line.
Local FG council man Pete Roche describes protesters as “rebels without a cause”.

Take from that what you will.

https://www.galwaybeo.ie/news/galway-news/irish-politician-asked-withdraw-four-9504311

Sn@kebite

If we call people mentally ill for not liking illegal immigration we could then say working class people are more prone to this mental illness due to their class. Where really working class/low income people are more impacted by housing costs and see illegal migrant men jump the queue, being put into 4-star hotels while natives struggle to pay bills/rent and homeless people rot in the streets while waiting years on a housing list.

The sentiments are more to do with economics and a noticing of the 2-tiered system the state is operating. Rather than just having a mental health problem.

Perhaps gaslighting people by acting like they're crazy looks clever in a sociology class, but outside of university social science departments it's just being a smug person who is not really contributing to these issues. Perhaps one of the many reasons social science isn't trusted very much.

sonofenoch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534447#Comment_122534447

Sounds poor tbf but if you or I moved to a new country with the just the shirt on our back what would we expect? it appears the Government are just counting numbers then wiping their hands of it ……not to mention those raking money in on the whole deal, throw in angry and pissed off native communities and it all equates to one big **** sandwich

RoyalCelt

I see comments a few pages back about groups of loitering men eye balling women. Why are these men not attending weekly classes on how women should be treated and respected like they do in Scandinavia? That's an essential policy in my book but would go against the "they're just the same as the rest of us" narrative we hear on repeat.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122536679#Comment_122536679

Not withstanding that yes they could go home, but everything she said is what the communities up and down the country are saying when the rumours start about ipas taking over a disused building. No facilities, no doctors, no services, no schools etc etc. Everything we say, all our concerns are justified, and will come to bare fruit over time.

How O'Gorman and his department haven't been pulled to task over this is beyond me.

Headshot

I'm very happy for North Tipp friends

https://tippfm.com/news/rathcabbin-not-ipas-accomodation/

selectamatic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122522792#Comment_122522792

Leaving state provided accomodation is completely different to leaving the state.

A key stat worth knowing would be the numbers leaving state provided accomodation to live in state assisted private accommodation. That could be eye opening.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122536657#Comment_122536657

Turns out this facility was in use already for Ukrainian people, who have been turfed out for new IPA’.

The Ukrainian people displaced will now, obviously cause a strain on the already stretched local rental market(through no fault of their own).

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122537776#Comment_122537776

Another example of the perfectly well oiled process that ROG and his department has provided for us.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534399#Comment_122534399

I am sure they would be better off elsewhere .

Thorny Queen

I will reiterate my point again...What I don't understand is why all these buildings that have been repurposed to house 'IPAs', particularly in cities…why are they are not being repurposed to house students, to house single parent families, to house families, to house young professionals, to house front line staff. People who are now in genuine need in this society and we NEED them.

I'm specifically talking about to help Irish people and not people who arrived off a plane with no passport 2 weeks ago.

What a diabolical mess.

thomas 123

https://youtu.be/C_hVsVt5yd4?si=DHKJdjs839oQyFBx

Anyone got the detail on this? Is the video more or less correct(re the claims about Thornton hall)?

TLDR:

Capacity for 15k in Thornton hall with 1000 set to arrive imminently.

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122537868#Comment_122537868

Show me the money baby!

Ash.J.Williams

The new normal will tented villages all over the city. That's how it goes.

Ozvaldo

The road to turn Ireland into a 3 rd world kip is well and truly on the way.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122537868#Comment_122537868

Nurses, guards always saying they can’t get accommodation in Dublin.

Shocking

Patrick2010

The more we build or repurpose for IPAs the more will arrive, it’s going to be a work in progress for ever. In the meantime the canals will continue to have ever more tents occupied by lads who seem to spend their days drinking. All funded by the taxpayers.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535840#Comment_122535840

A woke gov in Britain and we have one too so wont happen, If Irish politics shifted a bit (unlikely) you might be able to split NI from the herd, NI unionism opinion must be seeing the the British Dystopian future with some disgust, I mean would you want to be united with that lol?