Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122533960#Comment_122533960

Why do we have a government at all. I ask myself a lot of the time. Theyre such a useless shower.

Peter Flynt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122529272#Comment_122529272

It seems to me that McDowell is lining up a presidential run for 2025. The cynic in me is telling me he's playing to the gallery just as Harris did for the local/Euros in June.

DeadHand

I believe, at this point, one would struggle to find genuine refugees, or people fleeing persecution in the traditional sense, among the ever growing mass of IPAs.

From Michael McDowell to the Department of Justice itself, it has been recognised and stated that the IPA system has become a popular means whereby economic migrants can gain a foothold in the State and (eventually) access fully the economy and generous social welfare system of the country without significant checks or challenge.

Crucially, the current practice around IPAs also generates mountains of cash and influence for native capitalists and NGOs in what amounts to a huge, lucrative system of state-sponsored human trafficking.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122533748#Comment_122533748

Some neck on that lad tbf.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122533748#Comment_122533748

And what should be done about people coming in from Northern Ireland?

'Build that wall!', 'Build that wall!', 'Build that wall!'

Ozvaldo

Just to add what an embarrassment of a country Ireland is .No homes for the Irish and hotels for illegal refugees along with social welfare and priority for everything.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534140#Comment_122534140

Brilliant contribution.

Plenty of options to try, Automatic rejection of claim and a plane ticket home. Work with the UK government to prevent the abuse of the CTA. Much cheaper than building a wall.

But to be honest, given your stance on all of this I am surprised you are not out demanding we start running a free ferry service from the UK.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534140#Comment_122534140

Do you ever get tired banging that drum?

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122530749#Comment_122530749

Why are there no threads on the sky being blue? If a thread on overpopulation is that important to you. You are more than welcome to start one.

The thread is about refugee policy,not general migration. Read the mod updates on the 1st post if you need further clarification.

If you wish to discuss Ireland's emigration patterns/problems, again, open a thread. Kindly stop conflating legal migration with asylum seeking/illegal economic migration.

Virtually no one (yes, there are a few loopers) blames migrants for Ireland's problems. Before you bring it up, yes we know migrants did not cause the housing crisis. If you are bringing multiples more people into the country than you are building houses this just makes it magnitudes worse.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534201#Comment_122534201

That's it? That's your great mass-deportation plan you've been so secretive about all this time?

Buying people a plane ticket home! I wasn't expecting much tbh but I thought you'd have come up with something better than this quite unoriginal take on voluntary deportations.

As for working with the UK government, I'm sure it's top of their priority list.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122532882#Comment_122532882

Yes but again, what you're talking about here is a targeted concern about high immigration — not overpopulation. Regardless of annual numbers, the overall numbers show that there probably wouldn't be a hugely material difference in our population if immigrants and emigrants were swapped around.

What that tells you is that it's not a problem of overpopulation that we have. What we have is a problem of there being a historic and ongoing lack of impetus to modernise and improve our infrastructure and resources to deal with the inevitable population increase deriving from our emergence as a modern dynamic economy — not to mention an almost abject failure to make practical provision for the fact that we have rapidly changed from a very rural / agricultural society into an increasingly urbanised one.

Notwithstanding the fact that the influx of Ukrainian refugees was an unprecedented event (and one which — while we can argue all day as to what was the right way to approach it — we probably could not have completely avoided) — I'm not sure I buy the argument that it's realistic to expect we would not be experiencing the housing, services and cost of living issues of today if asylum seekers disappeared or we dramatically reduced migration (without that reduction causing problems of its own).

Headshot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09t22jW7r0A

Video recorded by IPAs in Dundrum

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534399#Comment_122534399

The whole system is a shambles. They're pawns in a money making scheme, the government don't care for anyone but themselves, neither born and bred citizens or those they claim we have international obligations towards.

Although, the women is obviously being coached by a ngo or do gooder, it is still isn't a good situation.

cal naughton

Wow the sense of entitlement is off the charts in that video! I get a sense that things are going to boil over in these facilities soon.

Gen.Zhukov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122533748#Comment_122533748

The Prime Time investigates crew will be all over this one - It will dominate the airwaves for weeks

There is the small chance however, that they'll just stick with the reporting of Gaza and ignore this domestic issue for some unknown reason

Will we have a - "extra.ie-A source of misinformation" - thread started because they did a hurty article about the Govt/FG?

extra.ie is quite obviously a hotbed of white supremacist neo-nazi sentiment - Who knew

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534201#Comment_122534201

Would you implement a hard border with NI?

It's either a common travel area or it's not. It will be abused if it's open.

For the record I do think we will need border controls with the UK soon. But I don't see people calling for it...why not? That said, border controls with NI will not prevent crossings. It would be a sieve.

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534459#Comment_122534459

I agree with you but also there's no excuse for how that gentleman speaks to them at the end, an absolute pig

We think he's the manager of the place, a horrible horrible individual

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534399#Comment_122534399

I have a feeling that this Resort hotel will be getting a very negative review on Booking.com !

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534459#Comment_122534459

Thats because the ngo's are in their ears, filling them with every trick in the book.

Gusser09

I would have zero issues having a border with NI at this stage. If that's where the majority of these people are coming from then it makes perfect sense. If it's done properly then it won't be too much of an inconvenience.

Either we go for a United Ireland where we can control the ports up there or we put a border in. One or the other.

Ozvaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534399#Comment_122534399

No chef on hand lousy

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534371#Comment_122534371

Another ground breaking contribution.

What are you even talking about at this point 😂

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534469#Comment_122534469

No - we both know that would be impractical.

As for the discussion, the government is unwilling at least publicly to admit we have a problem with the numbers coming into the country and/or the way they are doing it.

Cant fix an issue if they refuse to admit there is one.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534315#Comment_122534315

Well, as is common on here, you seem to have leapt to comment on what you think I'm saying — rather than what I actually am saying.

I was making the point, aimed at a particular poster who specifically referred to overpopulation as an issue in the context of this thread, which you have kindly reminded us is a thread about refugees. I made the point that it seems odd to me to evoke overpopulation as an issue in the context of refugees and that it also seems to me that the gripe is really simply one of people thinking there are too many of them or they aren't being handled well. That's a legitimate concern in its own right that doesn't need to be dressed up as a concern as to overpopulation and — in my own opinion — is indicative of the trend on here to be alarmist and constantly tie everything to some doomsday scenario (be it overpopulation, the fall of Irish society and western civilisation generally, the obliteration of Irish culture, the "replacement" of Irish people).

You don't seem to be disputing that point. You're just making points to me that aren't actually reflective of what I'm saying.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534721#Comment_122534721

Apologies if I'm mixing you up with another poster.

But wasn't deportations your big thing? Weren't you the poster who said that ultimately we'll simply have to be able to deport large amounts of people?

Maybe you've changed your mind, fair enough.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534726#Comment_122534726

Yeah fine but what are you recommending in relation to the CTA? We can all give out and moan but have you practical suggestions?

You said "Work with the UK government to prevent the abuse of the CTA."...so let's brainstorm...

I waltzed thru Stansted last week without having to show my passport to anyone except the Ryanair guy at the gate who was only matching the passport name to the boarding pass. He couldn't care less.

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534801#Comment_122534801

So you presented the correct matching and valid documentation to the boarding agent so he did his job but"he couldn't care less"

So if you presented no passport at the boarding gate I am sure the agent there would care a lot more and you'd be denied boarding… or he would lose his job and his company fined.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534983#Comment_122534983

You're missing the point entirely. I am talking about the lack of passport controls. He only cared that I had a passport and the names matched. A driving license would also have worked. He didn't care if I had a proper visa for Eire or anything like that. He didn't ask the purpose of my visit. He did not scan the passport to check for issues. Not his job. There is no passport control until you get to Ireland and that's where people claim asylum. I understand there can be random checks from immigration officers but I have never witnessed it. Easy ditch the passport between the Ryanair gate guy and Irish "passport control" too as we all know. Actually the Irish passport control was 2 lads in Shannon at midnight waving everyone through quickly with a glance at passport.

So expert, would you abolish the CTA? Would you implement a border controls/check from NI?

Ozvaldo

I Would prefer a hard border with the North

10000maniacs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534201#Comment_122534201

There are two reasons why they are making their way from Northern Ireland.

1: Obviously the UK social welfare system is not attractive enough. And Ireland's is better.

2: They were refused asylum in the UK and took off to pursue their remaining option. The Republic of Ireland.

It's not rocket science to fix both of these.

Limit their social welfare to a few Euros a week.

Stop giving the NGOs tent money. May as well be pissing taxpayers money up against a wall.

Request access to the UK asylum database.