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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Those crowds are clearly AI generated, it's blatently obvious /s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,003 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Yeah, but does Trump think it'll matter? Look at it this way,

    If Biden/Harris are able to secure the ceasefire his campaign is completely toast. Which means he goes back on trial and may (MAY) face a custodial sentence. While that's happening, an investigation into this kicks off,which is going to take 3-4 years.

    Or else, he leaves the states. He has enough cash stockpiled from all the briefing to have a very comfortable life somewhere with no extradition and nice weather. Self imposed exile has a nice to ring to it. He can still pump up the MAGA crowd with "woe is me" tweets, while golfing everyday in nice weather sitting on millions.

    The dude is 80. He knows he'll never see gen pop in a prison, and he knows that America is stable enough that no one's gonna chop his head off or that he'll have to hide in an underground bunker. He is absolutely a loser, but he's pretty much won at life as he'll never have to deal with the consequences.

    Saying all that, if he wins, all the cases go away including this investigation, which will save him a small bit of stress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    Any reason why yesterday some bookies odds swinged back in Trumps favour ? I know they aren’t overly reliable but had been watching odds over the months out of interest. Harris had gone 9/10 odds on and is now 11/10 after yesterday.


    Was it JFKj going to Trump?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,111 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    To be fair, they have dumped their rambling old man from the ticket. The Republicans haven't, which makes them even more bat sh!t crazy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Nixon also, one of the big mistakes Johnson did in his tenure (and their were lots) was not making nixon's interference with peace talks in Vietnam public.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    A bit of that and bookies spreading the risk.

    People betting on this (or any election) are not a representative sample of voters.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    She dropped out and then became the VP, not saying that's the reason but Biden was a front runner, and if his team came in early on and said, VP nomination on the cards if you step back before it becomes a battle. She held her own against Biden in the early debates and had no issue putting him right on certain things in a very confident fashion. It would have been shrewd of Bidens team to go to her through back doors as she was strong enough to put up a fight that would have detracted from the nomination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,892 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    I haven't seen any 11/10 Harris. 10/11 each of two best prices (at well-known bookies). 21/20 KH at Betfair but commission would bring it below Evens I believe?

    US Presidential Election Winner Betting Odds | Politics | Oddschecker

    Could be a few reasons. RFK looking like coming out for Trump. May also be as simple as some of the 3/1+ KH money arbing their position. Harris may have lost some momentum over the last week. DJT had, by his standards, a decent week where he didn't say anything too outrageous. The polls have moved nicely in the 3 weeks since KH got the gig, but the core figures would still see DJT win if translated to the real vote - therefore difficult to make KH favourite at this moment.

    Much as I'd like to see KH 10 points clear at this stage, I think we should be grateful that we currently have a coin-flip. That looked so unlikely a month ago.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Its bookies, they reflect nothing but the money placed. As someone else pointed out, if you are a large gambler, with no passion, you'd have bet on Kamala with the long odds that have now come down and then covered your bet when they evened out by betting the same on Trump. The house always wins but if you have enough money and time, you can reduce the risk of loss substantially.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Trump is throwing this away. He needs to start listening to his campaign staff, stay laser focused on the issues that matter and that the dems are vulnerable on (the economy stupid) and stop ranting and raving about Biden, China, democrats coup and all the other off the wall talking points that he stumbles between during speeches. Maybe they need to up his dose of Aderall because sometimes it seems like his brain is trying to have 2 thoughts at once.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,963 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Bookies odds are based on how people are betting. Trump's odds have been getting worse and worse the past few weeks once Kamala replaced Biden because more people started betting on Kamala. But it then tends to flip because you start getting far less of a payout if Kamala wins because her odds are shorter and you get better odds with Trump and therefore a larger potential payout for a smaller bet, so once Trump's odds are longer more people start betting on him and then the odds start getting shorter again.

    Bookies aren't taking into consideration anything to do with policies or performance etc. They shift their odds based on how people are betting. People are betting based on the likes of policies and performance, but also who they think might win and what the potential payout might be depending on the odds at the time. An ardent Harris supporter might still put a 20 dollar bet on Trump if there were good odds just because the potential payout might be worth it.

    So yeah, bookies odds aren't really that indicative of anything. They show what way people are betting, but those bets can be based on the potential payout rather than preference for the candidate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    You're missing the big factor, and that is because trump knows better than everyone else because he's, y'know, smart (points finger at brain)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 797 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    A core tenet of his economic policy are tariffs but he does not have a single clue how they actually work. He thinks it will cause money to flow into America from abroad but his tariff plan would increase costs for American businesses which would inevitably pass that to the consumers through price increases. I think the Dems needs to be stronger and clearer on this messaging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I honestly think Trump doesn't give a f*ck about the election because his pals at Project 2025 have explained how they've put people in place to ensure he wins.

    I'd nearly put money on it not being certified in time for Jan 6th because of court case delays.

    As long as they keep it to a coinflip, Trump will win. It's so important that Harris hammers him in the swing states. And by much more than the, "find me 12,000 votes" that happened in Georgia.

    She might do it, but it's going to require a huge effort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭ronjo


    She really needs to win very convincingly to avoid this you would think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 797 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    If she wins, the riskiest and most dangerous win would be to win by just one state, especially if it is by a narrow margin. Ideally, she wins the three blue wall states and pick up a few more too.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    the same reason bookies odds always change. Large amounts of money were bet on him. Thats it. There is no other way odds move.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,946 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Have the Obama segment playing in the background atm. The energy is pretty intense and it's all about pushing turnout. Also the complete lack of toxicity is just refreshing.

    Bizarrely that guy Matt Walsh is in disguise at the convention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,758 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Yeah very true.

    Its because she can. Her relative youth and energy are such an asset because they are like constant 1-2 punches to Trump. He cannot, and more to the point will not, campaign like that because he is lazy and old and obese.

    Everything that was (rightfully) leveled at Biden, now becomes the same burden for Trump.

    Honestly I think by polling day he'll be lucky to be upright and not ill or burned out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    Kamala’s socialist tax proposals and the democratic convention being a bit of an embarrassment.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Absolutely.

    A re-run of the Bush/Gore nonsense tied to Georgia for example would be catastrophic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Aaaand it's back to the birth cert 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,512 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The last set of weasels we sent couldn't find any evidence to support our scurrilous lies.

    So now we will send more weasels, still no evidence but this time with even vaguer weasel words.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,305 ✭✭✭✭briany


    He just can't help himself. He appeared on Theo Von's podcast. On that, he sounds like a halfway normal human being. The trademark speech patterns are all there, but seriously toned down. That's a man who sounds like he might listen to advisors. The problem is that the version of himself who plays to millions of MAGAs is on such an ego trip that he can't do anything of the sort.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    If anything tells you they have absolutely nothing to viably campaign on , it's this.

    A 16 year old debunked conspiracy theory…

    That's abject.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,502 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Well, the GQP supports taxes and spending lots of taxpayers money (though they are really bad at maths and run up huge deficits).

    That's $3.9 trillion of socialism right there. Is the next trump presidency going to balance the books or have any policies to that effect or is it going to spend money on things like a wall which gets defeated by a ladder?

    Here's your chance at engaging on policy instead of slithering :)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,963 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    In fairness, Theo Von isn't the kind to ask any deep political or policy questions, so Trump probably had no chance to go off on a tear about nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    Well, for starters your gonna need a chart that isn’t easily explained by covid, and while we are on that and for the record, I’m not sure if the Donald did actually say injecting bleach into your veins kills covid, but if he did he’s correct, if you have covid and inject bleach into your veins ya sure will kill the hell out of that covid.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Well, good old Johnny, whoever he is, gets a free trip to Hawaii where he will no doubt, do fcuk all work on the birth certificate of a man who hasn't been president since 2016.

    Who watches these cretiins. MAGA



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