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New bus gates on Bachelors Walk and Aston Quay

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,247 ✭✭✭Daith


    The right hand turn from Burgh Quay to O'Connell Bridge will really need to be looked at carefully after implementation. Westmoreland St to OCS North is a pain as it is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,724 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Our signage system just feels completely inadequate here, I tend to think it should be instead indicating where cars can go, because that's much easier to figure out when you're driving along. And the signage should be much further in advance of the actual bus gate.

    As-is I foresee a significant amount of people just ignoring these new bus gates most of the time, and being able to successfully claim ignorance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,008 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    The signage game isjust bonkers in Dublin. There's still poles on south William street that just say M50 and an arrow.

    If you're relying on that to get to the m50 from SWS you're screwed..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Just looking at the Burgh quay proposal, they're relying on a bit of road hatching to prevent motorists in the right turning lane not to travel straight. That is most certainly going to be abused! I think there are bollards proposed as part of the cycling scheme so these should be installed straight away to prevent that happening.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,008 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    It's overly complex. So much effort just to keep car dominance. That right turn from Burgh Quay to ocs is currently abused by queue skippers who fly down the right turning lane and merge left mid junction, the right turn lane is hardly used at all by people actually turning right



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,247 ✭✭✭Daith


    Yeah, it's going to be interesting alright. The fact that it's only from 7am to 7pm will lead to a bit of wriggle room too.

    Fun times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,008 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    A car diversion onto jervis St 24hrs would be a far simpler set up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    It looks like there's bollards at the front of that hatching? If that is the case, I assume that outside the 7-7 hours, cars are expected to use the bus lane to ontinue straight into Aston Quay. Still wildly inadequate, mind you!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,008 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    How long do people reckon it'll take for an upgrade to a proper solution? How long did college green take to go from a theoretical ban at peak hour to a theoretical ban 24hrs? Also there are other measures in the cc traffic plan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Oh you're right. Hard to see with the resolution. I guess they'll just remove the boards when the cycle scheme gets up and running.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,333 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Saw a few Guinness lorries in convoy yesterday going up Sheriff street from the docks, wonder if they're now going up the NCR and cutting back out at Ushers quay and up Christchurch into Thomas st.?



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,683 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    I've also blue been able to find any information when I want to the website...!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭VonLuck




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,247 ✭✭✭Daith


    Tbf, it is slightly annoying that it's labelled "2023" on the website. A rename to "Traffic Restrictions Aug 2024" on their front page would be good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,724 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    That's probably been a quicker route anyway for a good while now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,008 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Interesting that the programme for 2024 calls for a left turn ban from westland row to pearse St and a start on the gardiner St public realm scheme. There hasn't been much talk of them and we're coming to the end of Q3.

    ThereThere's also supposed to be work on College Green plaza next year and for that to happen we'll need to reroute buses in advance of the busconnects rollout which has stalled this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,247 ✭✭✭Daith


    I thought I read somewhere recently hat the Westland Row stuff was put back because it was more complicated apparently. I'll see if I can dig it out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    I saw a Guinness lorry this morning at the Bachelors Walk bus gate stopped in the yellow box blocking buses from getting to the right lane to turn onto O'Connell Bridge. This is exactly the reason why this plan needs to be implemented.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,008 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Sounds like more fudge and half measures. Placating the motor lobby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭Ben D Bus


    There's nothing worse than "complicated". 🤷



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,247 ✭✭✭Daith




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,008 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Barcelona is building their high speed rail tunnel under the Sagrada Familia but in Dublin a left turn ban is 'complicated'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭vafankillar


    sorry if discussed before but does this mean practically every bus time table that goes through the quays needs to be re-done?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,055 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    A proper solution? An integrated underground network is decades away.

    In the meantime, I'd predict that the car restrictions on the quays will simply be ignored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    I would doubt that very much. The running time may have to tweaked, though. If that doesn't happen and buses make it to Bachelors Walk quicker than normal, they will still be made to sit at the stop until their scheduled departure time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    I noticed recently a change in the traffic lights for eastbound buses along the North Quays at Capel Street Bridge. There is now a bus lane filter light, which gives traffic in that lane several seconds of a jump ahead of general traffic.

    It may not amount to much initially, but it's something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,008 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    I meant a proper solution to restricting cars, not a metro



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,247 ✭✭✭Daith


    We have solutions to restricting cars, there's no will power in Dublin City Council to implement these more fully. Hence even this watered down approach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,721 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Running times, i.e. the stop-by-stop timetables for each departure on routes across the network are reviewed and adjusted every so often as a matter of course (particularly when schools are on summer holidays), but Dublin Bus doesn't officially tell passengers (unlike GoAhead).

    Looking at a sample of routes on BusTimes ( https://bustimes.org/operators/dublin-bus ) and comparing the timetables for Monday 19th August and Monday 26th August, I can see that revised timetables with longer running times are being implemented across the Dublin Bus network with effect from Monday 26th August, which recognise the increased traffic levels that occur across the city with the return of schools. They would have been reduced back in June across all routes. Morning peak journeys in particular get the brunt of it.

    To be fair, a change in running times is actually a timetable change, as it changes the intermediate stop times along a route and should be considered as such. It can have an impact on people on lower frequency routes, and they ought to be announcing it more clearly, something like this:

    "With effect from Monday August 26th, with the return of schools, revised timetables will be implemented across all routes. These changes will not affect departure times from termini, but will see times change at most intermediate stops along each route in order to maintain the punctuality and reliability of services."

    Specifically on the infrastructure change on the Quays, I'd expect a change of running times for routes operating east/west along the Quays will happen at some point later in the Autumn that reflects the improved traffic flow through the area, but you'd have to wait four to six weeks, or indeed longer until after the return of the colleges to get a proper assessment of what the impact of the changes are.

    As Streetlight says, in the meantime buses will probably be waiting their time either side of O'Connell Bridge until their scheduled times from the stops there.

    I wouldn't be expecting to see completely new timetables with revised departure times anytime soon, as we just won't know what the impact of the changes will be for some months.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Evil_g


    Is introducing these restrictions on the week the schools return not going to give the usual suspects additional ammunition?

    Traffic is noticeably worse on that week anyway. This'll now be blamed on the restrictions. Seems like an avoidable mistake.



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