Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

The issue has clearly been hijacked by assorted cranks on social media. In the general scheme of things, the subject of athletes with male chromosomes competing against female athletes is a relatively minor thing, given the absolute tiny numbers involved. It will presumably already have been addressed by the IOC by 2028……we've seen a lot of performative nonsense and hot air around this in the last ten days or so.

Athletes taking performance enhancing drugs is surely a much more serious issue in global sport, especially with the health risks it poses to the athletes who take them, never mind the ethics of being involved in blatant cheating.

0.000000001% of athletes competing in women's sports globally 'might' have male chromosomes

Assuming you're genuinely interested in the numbers rather than just pulling them out of your @rse as your man once said, it's actually 0.71%, and higher again on the podium.

We have seen in a decade and more of research that approximately 7.1 in every 1000 elite female athletes in our sport are DSD athletes with very high testosterone levels in the male range.  The majority of those athletes compete in the restricted events covered by the regulations. This frequency of DSD individuals in the elite athlete population is around 140 times higher than you will find in the general female population, and their presence on the podium is much more frequent even than this. The CAS accepted that this demonstrates, in statistical terms, that they have a significant performance advantage.

So either large numbers of elite female athletes are being displaced by male athletes along the way, or else (maybe "and also") some teams/coaches are selectively choosing male athletes to put in the women's category so as to win more races.

As for your attempt to bat away concerns on the basis that "nobody cares about female boxers" - that is a terrible argument. Almost as terrible as the parallel one that claims that nobody cares about female prisoners getting raped. I care about women's interests in any domain, being a woman. And I care about sports in particular - any sports - because I care about women being able to practise whatever sports they like, not just the ones I'm interested in.

In the US, someone's entire life may be altered by getting a sports scholarship. Every time a male athlete pushes a woman one place further down the podium, her chances of building a CV strong enough to get a scholarship diminish. So the harm done is definitely not just physical injury.

if the two boxers hadn't shown up in Paris, we would have had zero cases of such athletes this year

An equally valid way of looking at this is that two out the six female gold medallists in boxing this year are likely to be genetically male. Given the "tiny numbers" involved, that is such an outsize effect that it makes no sense saying we can just ignore it. It's as though just a couple of cyclists were being allowed to attach a small engine to their bike. Tiny numbers - but that doesn't stop it negatively affecting all the others.

TBF there probably aren't - but that is entirely because of the work that various groups have put into FORCING various sports governing bodies to protect the women's categories of their sports since 2016.

This is a new attempt to sneak XY athletes in by the back door, after the previous transgender rows, and cannot be allowed to succeed either. If boxing, of all sports, becomes effectively mixed sex, it is only a matter of time until women's sports generally suffer the same fate.

As I already said to you, I think you are mixing me up with someone else.
I don't know what question that you've up to me that I haven't answered. That as a response to post#7027. You said you didn't understand, so I explained in detail for you. Do you still not understand.

I may have missed a question, but it wasn't intentional. I have to play catch up and skim a bit.

But while you bring it up, you failed to reply in the discussion about the trans persons test levels. Missed the posts, or just realie you were wrong?

Let me save you the bother of "catching up" - the questions are repeated in the post you're responding to:

It may all be as questionable as you say. But there is a simple way to achieve clarity and that is to release the results. That the athletes concerned have sent legal letters to the IBA enjoining them not to do so strongly suggests that the results are not in the athletes’ favour.

And in the longer term, to prevent this from ever happening again, the IOC must bring back sex screening.

Would you agree with those two points or not?

And no, I don't remember a question about trans test levels, and I'm puzzled as to what relevance it has in this context anyway. That is probably why I didn't bother responding to it initially, assuming I saw it at the time. But if you think it's relevant to DSD athletes, by all means, do explain.

Or, if you wish to ask a question about my opinions on transgender athletes generally, again, feel free to ask it - but I think it needs to be separated from this particular issue of male (XY) boxers who are apparently not transgender, but who may have a DSD.

There's no proof of Imane having XY chromosomes but so many in this thread just stating it as a fact. Soooo desperate to invent a trans panic that they're doing it about a woman assigned female at birth.

(you can whine about my terminology here all you want but it's the argument equivalent of pointing out a typo, it just proves you have zero response to the substance of what I said)

The IBA hasn't said what the gender tests were, if chromosomes were checked you bet your ass they'd have said something.

"But she really looks like a man" is all ye are going on, it's so pathetic. I'm actually in favour of the cheek swab, since that's actually objective data and not random judgements from people who don't know what they're talking about but nonetheless addicted to debating their right wing grievances.

Obviously I seen the questions at the end of that post. But as you said I failed to answer in that same post, you must have been talking about previous questions.
Could you post to these questions I failed to answer? I think that reasonable given the claims.

As for those question I literally covered both in my last post. This idea that I'm ignoring "questions you are putting to me" seems strange. I'm not sure which point you are expectant me to oppose you think I'd oppose?

and I'm puzzled as to what relevance it has in this context anyway. That is probably why I didn't bother responding to it initially, assuming I saw it at the time. But if you think it's relevant to DSD athletes, by all means, do explain.

LMFAO. I didn't bring it up. You were already discussing it. Not sure what the relevance was, but presumably you felt it was relevant enough to post about. I just noticed you posting about a trans person's test levels.
It just stood out as you bad analogy made it seem like you didn't know where testosterone comes from.

The relevance of that (endogenous test levels) to the boxers would really depended on the condition they may have. by understanding is that there are a lot of DSD, and they're far more common than you'd think.

Yeah it seems to be having issues in a number of threads.

This claim about "the closest to male" is just an attempt to pretend that sex is not binary. It is. There are a number of DSDs, but the children born with them are all still one sex or the other. If certain male DSDs are enabling males to participate in female sports, then it does not matter whether this happened in the past, no more than it matters that blood doping used to be a successful way of winning until ways of detecting it became available. "We were able to do this in the past" is not a justification for continuing to do so.

Either men punching women as an Olympic sport is problematic or it is not.

My argument is that it should be banned. Why do so many men want it to continue?

The best scientific definition is about potential to produce large immobile gametes vs small mobile gametes.

Genital organs, and/or chromosomes, are a fairly close equivalence, but not 100%, because of some genetic anomalies. Just as we say that humans are bipedal, even though someone born with a missing limb is still human. Or that humans have two eyes, even though some babies are born as "cyclops", ie with a single undifferentiated eye. The existence of genetic anomalies does not cancel out the the basic "format" of humans.