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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭Maxface


    Think everyone seemed to miss it, and it says exactly what he is as a person and his relationship to taxes and income, after the waitress came up and said Sir, yada yada, and Trump says but if it is in cash, how would they see it? What he is talking about there so openly on a stage, is the past President talking about Tax Fraud, on a stage and on TV, and nobody picking it up at all. The timeline is odd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


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    tattoo regret ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,664 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Al Franken said on his podcast released this morning that Tim Walz will be Kamala’s VP nominee. Both men are from Minnesota.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,995 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Minnesota = 10 electoral votes. Mark Kelly would still be a better choice IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'm thinking it's more likely to be Shapiro atm. Kelly seems to be a senate seat that they don't want to replace.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The Harris campaign has to think about how much money pro-Israel donors bring to the campaign and what promises have been made to those donors. That's the nasty business of politics. If much money has been given and many promises made, and if the fairly pro-Israel Shapiro is in any way a net positive to the ticket, then the likelihood is fairly high that he gets the nod.

    I think that Kelly and Walz have a better general appeal than Shapiro would, possibly ticking up the polling across several states, as opposed to just Pennsylvania, as Shapiro might promise to do, and there's also this business of how Shapiro handled a sexual harassment complaint, which would be ammo for the Trump campaign to use.

    I imagine that discussions about all this have been fairly animated among Harris's staff.

    Having said all of that, I don't think there is a mainstream VP pick which could hurt Harris's campaign as much as the boy has hurt Trump's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,680 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Jimmy Carter, 100 years old!, currently in hospice, hopes to make it to November 5th to vote for Harris.

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/08/03/jimmy-carter-kamala-harris-vote-100/74657161007/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Shapiro will be 24/7 right wing conspiracy talk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Shapiro could lose a lot of Muslim voters and young voters over his defence of Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,995 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Thats my concern. With people below 30 Israel and anyone pro Israel is very much persona non grata.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,040 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I think picking Walz would undo the clear daylight about the age of the candidates.

    My pick would be mark Kelly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,193 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Hadley Freeman questions this characterisation of Shapiro as exceptionally hawkish on Israel

    Other potential VP picks were also critical of the student protests and have been, in fact, far more supportive of Netanyahu than Shapiro, such as the Arizona senator Mark Kelly…Yet there’s something about the kosher-keeping, occasional yarmulke-wearing Shapiro that makes the Democratic Socialists style him as a genocidal Israeli hawk. I just can’t put my finger on what that might be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Although Tim Walz looks like Bernie Sanders' slightly younger brother, he is, in fact, two months younger than Kelly. In my opinion, both would be equally strong picks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,924 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    On the other hand though, having Shapiro as the VP nominee could allow Harris herself to be more critical and outspoken of the actions of Israel, and she already seems to be more critical of them than both Biden and Trump.

    Even with Shapiro, all they have to do is point out how Trump who isn't even in a political position, hosted "Bibi" Netanyahu, as well as the other stuff Trump has said about how Israel just needs to finish it because the war is bad PR.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I wouldn't have said 'exceptionally hawkish on Israel', but that he was fairly pro-Israel - at least enough so to condemn the protests and so on.

    Whether anyone likes it or not, Shapiro's Jewishness will also be a factor that Harris's team has to consider. Mainly in the sense of how much identity is too much identity for a ticket, and whether the fact that America has never had a Jewish president or VP is down to coincidence or a prejudice that exists in the dark corners of middle American voters' minds, and difficult to quantify if it's barely even spoken aloud.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,680 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Not paywalled: (https://archive.ph/cqfqv)

    Nice punchline:

    "Whether it’s the right dumping on Emhoff for not defending Netanyahu or the right trashing Shapiro for not criticising him enough, the thinking is the same: Jewish-Americans are not real Americans, because they’re Jewish. Their loyalty will (according to the left) or should (according to the right) always be to another country. Harris pitches herself as the unifying candidate, and so far her candidacy has proven one thing for sure: when it comes to pushing old antisemitic tropes, the far left and far right are certainly united."

    Pretty much captures the Hamas/Israel thread here, too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,193 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I can't believe that any more than a tiny proprtion of centre ground voters would genuinely be swayed by Shapiro's Jewishness though. If Team Harris are convinced he can make the difference in Pennsylvania, I think that's got to outweight those concerns…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,997 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Shur, since the VP pick doesn't matter, Trump won't bother attacking Kamala's pick😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,132 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Shapiro V Vance would be hilarious.

    Vance isn't fit to lace Shapiro's boots when it comes to experience and policy leadership.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Remember the American Christians don't actually like Jews despite all their special pleading for Israel. Their motive are entirely ulterior.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Yeah, Shapiro's main focus would be Pennsylvania and winning that.

    I really feel sorry for Kelly. He's probably too good as a senator, and they could lose his senate seat (and potentially the senate) if he becomes VP nominee.

    The more I've looked into him, the more I can see him doing his own run for President. Time is not on his side though. He's 60 now, assuming Kamala wins, she'll be the nominee in '28 (presumably with her sitting VP) so he'd be 68 in '32 before the path clears for his own run...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The Ohio ballot deadline is on Wednesday. He'd want to drop Vance right quick if he was going to keep Vance off the ticket there by then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    I can see the whole MAGA farce collapsing entirely in the next few months and a comfortable win for Harris. The "weird" thing is really landing and supporters are starting to look at themselves and their rapist hero a little more closely and don't like what they see. She is also hugely competent and charismatic while he's just a bigoted weirdo whose negative, hateful, middleaged spread campaign is exploding in real time. You love to see it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,997 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I think you're being very optimistic. A major section of the US public have fallen for the sthick. If a small percentage moves enough to get Kamala over the line, I'll be content. I do accept that the whole Trump stuff is a house of cards and without him holding it together, it becomes a busted flush.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @coolbeans

    supporters are starting to look at themselves and their rapist hero a little more closely and don't like what they see.

    I'd like that to be true, but what's your basis for saying so?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    I'm not optimistic by nature but the whole MAGA thing seems a busted flush. Harris has really energised a whole new cohort of the US electorate and all he's got is his egoism, narrowmindedness, complete lack of sophistication and a bunch of really quite pathetic and weird looking followers many of whom are retired or close to retirement and repulsive to younger people. Barring unforced errors I think she'll win comfortably in November.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    It's my own opinion/feeling looking at the polls and interviews in recent weeks. I've noticed Fox struggling to support their guy too. That NABJ interview was catastrophic in my opinion and will damage the campaign severely. Not a lot to go on admittedly but MAGA looks shocked and weak. The Hannibal Lecter stuff is damaging too and can't be defended at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,866 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Alarm bells must be going off in the Republican camp but with a lot of states firmly red or blue I wouldn't rule out Trump just yet much as I want to .Hopefully the more Trump spouts rubbish and bile the voters in those states that will decide the outcome see him for what he is and vote Harris.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭Maxface


    He/It may become more desperate over the next few weeks, and we may see ground never trodden before from Trump, which may be unthinkable. If he or his team were anywhere smart, they would try and focus on some policy material and start talking about what 4 more years of Trump will bring, but, he can't help himself, his skin is thinner than primary school toilet paper.



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