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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    I am CrossFit certified (Level 1, and a few of the speciality certs), although I'm assuming it's all lapsed long ago now... It was 12+ years ago.

    If you just want a little more of a hypertrophy focus, but want to stay in that CrossFit style training world, I would suggest you look at the wide variety of online programmes out there who try to offer this:-

    Dave Lipson, Power Athlete, Mayhem Athlete Bodybuilding, Marcus Filly Functional Bodybuilding, Ryan Fischer... Lots of them offer free trials.

    There's a lot of people who have moved from CrossFit more into a hypertrophy space, just as there are spin-offs with strength focus, or Olympic weightlifting focus, etc.

    That being said, I do agree with the guys' comments above: If you want an optimal approach to hypertrophy, then retaining several days a week CrossFit doesn't square with that, it just doesn't. It's just not a training modality that sits well with optimising muscle growth. Too demanding from a recovery perspective, has implications for calorie intake and recovery, and a lot of the movements and protocols used are just not that well geared towards hypertrophy.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    I'll answer this separately, as my main answer is what is above.

    Let's say dumbbell curls, which I've been doing at home. I've been using 10kg weights which feel too light and can crank out a set of 15 reps with them. Then another set of 15 at 10kg and then another set of 8-10 reps with 15kg.

    What in that case is best? sets with less reps and higher weight or the inverse? and is 3 sets even enough currently? should it be 3 sets of the heaviest weight I can do?

    Then also what rest between sets to get the required intensity needed?"

    Over the years there have been differing views about what drives hypertrophy. In the past people linked the feeling of "the pump" to muscle growth, or put forward ideas about time under tension, volume and muscle damage and regrowth.

    The science will maybe always be shifting, but these days it's generally thought that if your work set demonstrates that the muscles are experiencing high mechanical tension, and you sustain that and add weight or reps the next time around, in following workouts, then it's likely that - provided you are in a calorific surplus - you will grow.

    What that means in practice is that if you were doing your set of curls with 10s, and they feel light, you would need to do a set where the last several reps slowed down, and you came to failure, or within a rep or two of it.

    After that, it becomes a question of how many sets you would do, which remains hotly debated. There are those who would argue that only a handful of genuine sets, per week, for a body part, are enough to grow it. I think a more sensible approach might be to do something like 3 sets, particularly if you're a novice or beginner, and give yourself a greater chance of ensuring that you've performed enough productive sets.

    If you did 15, 15, 8-10 with your 10s on DB curl, that would be fine... Then when repeating that workout you might shoot for 15, 15, 12-14, then 15, 15, 15 ... And then go up to 12.5kg DBs and begin again. Or you could add reps, and go for 15-20, if the 12.5kg was too much of a jump.

    In theory, to your point about whether a heavier weight, performed for less reps, would be better than a lighter weight for more reps... My understanding of the thinking now is that if you're getting that high mechanical tension and training as outlined above, it doesn't matter. There are proponents for both approaches. A middle ground can usually be found, of course... Instead of 3-6 reps, or 12+ reps, you might do 6-12, for example. You'll get that mechanical tension more quickly, with a heavier weight, but some people find it easier to train smaller muscles like the rear and side delts in a higher rep range, and also safer.

    As for rest, can't really go wrong with 1.5-2 minutes, as a novice or general trainee.

    If I was squatting or deadlifting I might rest 3 minutes, and there are people who promote this across the board for optimal recovery and growth, but I feel like I cool down a lot, and I also don't want to spend all day in the gym. Over 6 exercises, 3 sets apiece, that extra minute's rest for each adds up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    What height and weight are you currently? What's your current diet like?

    As a general rule of thumb, if some is doing crossfit and isn't gaining enough muscle I'd automatically form the opinion that their diet is the reason why, and not because their muscles arent geting damaged. If your diet isn't good enough under a crossfit programme, it won't be good enough under a body building one either.

    If you haven't been tracking your calorie intake, I would recommend doing that for a few months while aiming for a specific calorie surplus target and see how you get on.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I’ll make it very simple. Which most people won’t do.

    2 full body days a week. All exercises 2 warm up sets and then 3x10 with a weight you struggle to do 10 with. When you can do 3x10 comfortably add weight next time.

    Day 1: Squat, bench, pull ups, curls and tricep push downs.

    Day 2: deadlift, rows, military press, curls and tricep push downs.

    Simples.

    they/them/theirs


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭chrissb8


    Thank your for the reply, I've been a calorie deficit for over a year which ended last month because I hit the weight I wanted, losing over 10kg. I'm 170cm (5ft 7) and 70-71kg. I try operating on a high protein diet 80% of the week but most likely will need to up that along with my calories. I currently roughly try hit 110g of protein a day.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭chrissb8


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭chrissb8


    This is brilliant, and exactly the kind of answer I was looking for. I would be happier to go with a lighter weight and more volume as I feel the building tension in the muscles a bit more and when I get to that last rep for failure I can push that bit harder, as opposed to a heavier weight when it's just a case of I end up just not being able to lift at all for that last rep for failure.

    But thanks again it makes it much more clear how to plan out now around sets/reps/rest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭chrissb8


    Thanks for the reply, yeah I'm coming to that conclusion slowly as well about Crossfit. While it's been great for general fitness and overall conditioning it does come at the price of lengthy sapping cardio based esque workouts.

    I think I'll keep the split up this month and if I find it's too much I'll just commit to the weight lifting for the foreseeable. Thanks again for the reply.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    When I look back at the early CrossFit, that I was involved with, it got a lot right:-

    1. Online daily blog for the 'workout of the day': Huge element of surprise and fun to finding out what your workout was going to be, and there was a surprisingly tight community "in the comments".
    2. Although WODs were varied, there was reasonable balance to the programming in the early days, if you zoomed out. A mixture of squats, deadlifts, Olympic lifts and the rest was a mixture of long and short conditioning workouts.
    3. Diet advice, when it was paleo and zone focused, wasn't dreadful, and the immersive community aspect of CF tended to help people with adherence and figuring that stuff out, as they often ended up hanging around with this new group of friends who were following the same approach.
    4. Huge social aspect to it, as a community (Met my wife at CrossFit, I know of 4-5 others from the same era, and that was just the space of a few years).

    Because of a lot of people were coming in without any strength training background, people reached some reasonable beginner/intermediate strength standards, and obviously their general fitness improved.

    After a couple of years, progression became an issue. People were hitting it hard, and recovery was a challenge unless their diet and sleep were on point. I remember one of the main CF coaches giving a talk on this at a cert. They had basically diagnosed that there was this risk of "failure to thrive", and yeah, having the right diet was more or less an essential at that point, if you weren't going to get chewed up and spat out by some of the programming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭chrissb8


    That's exactly why I really gravitated towards it, the idea of going to a gym on my own and chasing my fitness goals at the time wasn't appealing at all. I found the group dynamic kept me accountable to push myself in workouts and complete them. Crossfit adds a level of friendly competition which is something that motivates me in general.

    Mostly I've learned how to confidently workout out with a number of exercises/lifts with good form because of the coaching in my gym. Which I feel was a big barrier to me starting a consistent workout routine. The idea of doing something and not having an idea of if I am progressing or not is demotivating.

    So you have real measurable progress in Crossfit from informed coaches but now I am at the point where I'm happy with the overall weight loss (give or take probably another 2 kg I could lose but not looking for perfection) and fitness. I feel the next step is to slap some muscle on and build some strength. While I'm in my early 30s now I do see weight lifting as a lifetime endeavour and want to get that habit nailed down now.

    Congratulations on meeting your wife at Crossfit too, there's a few in my gym who have had the same thing happen to them. Must be the shared trauma of doing many wods together haha.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭redzerredzer


    Does anyone happen to remember Transform who used to post here had a few flexibility tests he did with clients to see what they needed to work on and strengthen?

    I have searched his posts but can’t find the videos.
    It would be great if someone could find them or suggest some mobility tests I could do to pin point where I’m most in need of work.
    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,390 ✭✭✭✭Mellor




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    He was a specimen, back in the day, when I met him - I've no doubt he still is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭redzerredzer


    thanks so much. I’ll fail these tonight and start working on them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    So my right leg has been destroyed over the years, ACL, Sciatica, Achilles Tendon, Hamstring tear, which means it is way way under developed compared to the left leg. This is going to get worse as I have torn my ACL again and scheduled for surgery in July.

    Home gym, so was thinking alot of unilateral , and do one extra on the right side.

    Calf Raises

    Bulgarian Split Squat

    Lunges

    Banded Hamstring Curls

    Box Single Leg Squat

    Any others I should include?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    I think if I were really going to lean into the unilateral stuff I would pick 2-3 good ones, mix of quad dominant and ham glute dominant, and then after that is a question of overall programming.

    For a lower day, with a unilateral emphasis, you could do something like go heavy on the Bulgarian Split squats, just follow a strength progression for them as if they were a main barbell lift. 3 or 4 sets and just progressively overload week to week. Reps 6-10 a leg. Do your bad leg first. Then next movement single leg glute bridges or single leg deadlift, same thing. Then maybe terminal knee extensions with a band, higher reps to failure, and calf raises.

    Single leg box squats are great but to me they are a regression for someone who is more debilitated. If you can do the stuff above do that instead imo.

    I do like split squats in place of Bulgarian version for greater stability sometimes. Some people will do them much better and progress better.

    Lunges, I feel people turn them into split squats a lot. By that I mean, whether forward or reverse, they step … settle … then split squat. There needs to be more dynamism present in a lunge whether forwards or reverse. So I like to do walking lunges with bodyweight or very light weight for quite high reps, at the end of a workout, one all out set, really driving up off the front leg. After you've done your other sets with progressive overload and very log book driven, that one set is just a finisher, could be 50-100 reps.

    Step ups are good, but hard to do well, hard to resist pushing off that leg on the ground to assist yourself up. Lifting the toes off the ground helps, as does just making it more an eccentric movement and focusing on controlling the descent.

    Banded single leg extensions and curls are OK but not really as useful as machine versions of those movements, you don't have the same stability and ability to progress load.

    Overall, for your goal I would do plenty of unilateral work but personally I think a few movements is enough, and you could still keep in a bilateral main lift and/or machine work without losing anything.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭Suit of Wolves


    Unrelated to that comment but I would like to ask you something else which you may or may not have the time to respond to…

    After having patella maltracking in one knee (more than the other) and eventually getting pain in this knee, I saw my physiotherapist. I was told that I likely have a shallow grove in that knee, and that I need to strengthen my glutes, vastus medialis, and loosen my IT band with foam rolling; and that all this will change my biomechanics resulting in bigger gap between my knees when running. After this visit I didn't seem to get the satisfied results and after 3/4 weeks of rehab and I went back to the physio again. It was only this time that he said that it could take up to 12 weeks to change my biomechanics so not to be disappointed, and that after that time period that I could then reduce the amount of the prescribed exercises to half that "forever more" to keep it at bay. I'm back running now and the knee feels fine like before, but I was a bit disappointed to hear the "forever more" part, as I now have to do my general exercises as well as the scaled rehab exercises forever more. I'm just wondering (once my biomechanics are corrected) would it mean they'd relapse to my old running style if I stopped these exercises? Any other time I went for physio it was pretty much a case of doing the rehab for a set period of time and then 'kind of' forgetting about it!

    One of the specifics with my condition was that when I did a forward lunge (with the good knee going forward) I'd get the pain in my bad (left) knee at the very end of the lunge when I'd be stepping back into the stance of the starting position stance. Some of the 'more important' exercises I've been given were wall squats (while squeezing ball) and knee extensions (done with ankle weights on bad knee while squeezing a ball). I was wondering what's the difference between these two exercises? For some reason I was instructed to do two sets of 20 with the wall squats, but only 2 sets of 10 with the knee extensions. I assume this is tailored to my condition.

    Thanks for reading



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Cill94


    We're not permitted to give medical advice on here by the mods, and to be honest I would need to do a consultation with someone to have the requisite details to give a proper opinion. Unfortunately your physio doesn't sound very evidence based.

    What I will say is whenever I manage injuries with myself or clients, the first port of call is always load management. This means temporarily reducing the demands of your current training (e.g. running a shorter distance and/or a slower pace) and gradually building back up. That alone works more than 9 times out of 10 in my experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 EmilyDavis223


    I'm going to include jumping rope exercises in my regular training regimen. What are the advantages and disadvantages of rope jumping?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,390 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Advantages: It's a highly portable solution. It adds in agility and lightness on your feet (good for many sports)

    Disadvantages: It's a a skill based movement. If you can't skip well, you simply won't use much energy or burn many calories (if that is the goal)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭Suit of Wolves


    What do you think of this guy's theory unorthodox about correcting posture?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Cill94


    Like almost all self proclaimed posture experts, it’s a lot of opinions with no research cited to back up claims.

    Changing posture for things like sitting, head position etc is usually just a matter of deliberately deciding to do it. However changing the actual structure of your face/jaw voluntarily is something I’d be very skeptical of without hard data. Burden of proof etc etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭Suit of Wolves


    I'm not too surprised to hear that, but you may as well tell us how exactly he's managing to fool people. Am I right that you'd agree with the general consensus of what good posture is? as with the diagram he shows at 6:38? I can see from his posture recommendation, that the neck has hold more weight. Is this theory of his completely wrong… that the rib cage should be pulled back at the top and forward at the bottom? Or is it based on some truth? How is he misleading people.

    He does look bizarre to me in that photo that he shows of himself... what stands out to me is how much the shoulders are rounded forward. I'm also thinking in terms of how unnatural and unattractive a woman's lower back would look if it was not "hollowed out", as he puts it.

    I once had a physiotherapist tell me that you can't change your posture, and that our posture is innate. Is that true?

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Mod note: please follow the instructions of your physio. It’s inappropriate for anyone here to contradict it.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Cill94


    Am I right that you'd agree with the general consensus of what good posture is? 

    Nope! 😉 The general consensus is that there is such a thing as 'good' or 'bad' posture. But the general concensus on many things health and fitness is wrong.

    We actually don't have research to support the idea of an ideal posture. I do believe that being locked in any one posture can lead to pain and it is good to move (and have the ability to move) in and out of different postures throughout the day.

    as with the diagram he shows at 6:38?

    I don't know what he's trying to say here. The image on the left is a normal spinal curvature anyway. Guy on the right looks like a tool.

    Is this theory of his completely wrong… that the rib cage should be pulled back at the top and forward at the bottom? Or is it based on some truth? How is he misleading people.

    It's not even a theory, as that would require evidence. It's more of a hypothesis, which should always be assumed to be wrong (most of them are) until tested. If someone isn't even citing current research to support their hypothesis, then it's very likely they're wrong.

    I once had a physiotherapist tell me that you can't change your posture, and that our posture is innate. Is that true?

    I suppose it depends on what you define as changing posture. Anyone can stand up straighter or lift their chin back if they choose to. Changing actual positioning of bones is very different.

    The guy in this video just sounds like someone who can speak eloquently enough to make themselves sound educated, but is actually sitting squarely in the most dangerous part of the Dunning Kreuger curve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,770 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Quelle surprise. He's selling lessons to fix posture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,390 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    What makes you think he's fooling anybody?
    He has a youtube channel, has it years, gets no traffic. Nobody is buying it.

    His claims are wild, zero evidence, and even the statements he makes to justify them are wrong.

    "Good posture, compresses/flexes you t-spine, which removes tension from the fascia. This stops the fascia working"

    First sentence is true, as a basic description biomechanics. The second in italics, the "proof", is nonsense. Sure if makes logically sense following on, but its whipped out of thin air. That's not what causes backpain, that's how fascia work, we don't really know what they do. But we do have a really good idea of how a lot of the other structure work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Cill94


    I assumed that to be the case as he’s clearly a charlatan. Couldn’t see any links on his YouTube to services or products though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,770 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭Suit of Wolves


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