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Gript-A source of misinformation. **Read OP before posting**

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  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RTE like all state media are biased towards the establishment - not the government. They criticize the government when its actions are counter to the states establishment.

    GRIPT however is biased in an entirely different way - they despise the government, the political parties and the establishment. They come from a very fixed and invarient agenda, they are incapable of anything approaching impartiality and so cannot be trusted to say anything which doesn't further their anti-establishment agenda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,262 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    From what I have seen of the editor on TV, he is not a "nutter".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,379 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    You omitted the word 'religious' before 'nutter'. Not sure if it was on purpose or not but it's a pretty important word given the context of the person you're quoting.

    He is most definitely a 'religious nutter.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Is he?

    As a convinced agnostic (a contradiction in terms, but stay with me) I would generally take no view on the gender of the creator.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,379 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    He's clearly an 'agnostic theist', not 'agnostic' in the way normal people use the word (ie, an Agnostic Atheist)

    Just look at the rest of that article, it's riddled with scripture and talking about 'god' as if it exists.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Reads absolutely like it was written by a believer, and an old fashioned believer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭corkie


    The Catechism of the Catholic Church, Book 239, states that God is called "Father", while his love for man may also be depicted as motherhood. However, God ultimately transcends the human concept of sex, and "is neither man nor woman: He is God."[14][15] ~~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of_God

    It is funny that the article quotes the Male written bible as proof for gender, of a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-physical_entity

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,776 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    To be clear, there are two directors at Gript. McGurk and Niamh Uí Bhriain. Niamh Uí Bhriain who actually founded Youth Defence. Both of them write/wrote for the Irish Catholic.

    Gript was set up with money from the Life Institute/Youth Defence. Lets ignore the Neo Nazi links for now…….

    The other fella Ben Scallan, was a spokeperson for the Irish Freedom Party. Hermann Kelly studied theology at Patricks College. And was once editor of the Irish Catholic.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Patrick%27s_Pontifical_University%2C_Maynooth

    I mean fine, but lets not pretend there isnt an ultra conservative old school Catholic base to the whole thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,208 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Would not surprise me one bit if Declan Ganley was funding them too. He failed dismally when he tried to use his money to commandeer our politics directly, now it appears he's trying another angle.

    McGurk is a former Ganley employee and until very recently was still using a Ganley company email address.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,208 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Been following Gript for a while now, and while they like other organisations may have agendas or an angle they want to peddle, one thing is for sure, they ask questions of the government that other news organisations aren't asking.

    Its also interesting that the posters who want to discredit them are also the same who will defend government policies on other threads on boards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Oxo Moran


    They work for the conservative right. They'll go after SF over FF/FG. They are certainly religious conservative right.

    He has worked in various public relations roles and as a communications manager for Declan Ganley's Rivada Networks.[8] He has been the editor of Gript Media, which describes its primary aim as supporting news and debate "without the liberal filter," since 2020.[9] He also writes for the Irish Catholic.

    They went after people for suggesting the Tuam babies were left in a tank. They ran cover for the orders trying to discredit the whole Tuam babies story.

    https://gript.ie/tuam-baby-home-there-are-unanswered-questions/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    The claim was that John McGuirk was personally a 'religious nutter', which I don't believe is true, although he supports much of the agenda of the Catholic Right. I would say he is that rare beast in an Irish context, a secular mainstream conservative, both social and fiscal. Insofar as he believes in anything much at all beyond advancing his own career…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,265 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The best recent examples fall under a topic banned in this thread and not impartially covered my MSM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,701 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Not to stick up for brats like John McGuirk, but Agnosticism is neither theist nor atheist. It simply states that mankind hasn't got the capacity to know god. It's thoroughly non-committal on the subject because any knowledge of a supernatural being is completely unknowable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I don't see what isn't covered by msm, being covered by Gript. How many journalists do they have working for them? Do they do any actual investigations? All i see is a conservative right wing anti immigration slant to anything they write. Nothing original anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,265 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Does anyone know what GRIPT stands for or what the name means?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,379 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Incorrect.

    I would consider myself an 'agnostic atheist' (as do most folks I meet who refer to themselves as 'agnostic')

    John would be an 'agnostic theist'.

    Both groups could refer to themselves as 'agnostic' but as you can see, they both come from a totally different base. Distinguishing between the two is actually quite important.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,841 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    You don't have a problem with Gript having an agenda but you claim you do with other msm

    Because Gripts bias suits your own ..same thing .



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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You'll have to point out where I said I have a problem with media outlets having a bias (the exception to this being RTE which should be an impartial public broadcaster but is anything but)

    I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of posters decrying Gript for having an agenda (btw - not for the first time I'm saying Gript does have an agenda) but claiming other outlets don't, outlets which have an agenda/lean (by some huge coincidence) the same as the lean of these same posters

    Misinformation from Gript - Bad

    Misinformation from The Irish Times etc - good



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,841 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,701 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


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    In general, an agnostic has been understood as a non-committal stance with regards to the existence or non-existence of a god or gods, following Huxley's primary definition of the term, the guy who coined it in the first place. The baseline conviction of the agnostic is that we cannot know because we don't have the ability to know, but we may have one day.

    Your example follows Lesley Weatherhead's or George H. Smith's musings on the subject that one can be an agnostic and still believe in a god, while still not being fully committed or part of a given church. Smith seemed to want to have it every which way, while weatherhead was a Christian theologian, who appeared to be trying to claim that agnostics were really just uncommitted Christians which is where I suspect this idea of an Agnostic theist originally came from.

    Huxley's stance was that we don't know, therefore to believe or disbelieve is unwarranted and illogical. Huxley coined the term "agnostic" to describe people like him, who were neither "theist" or "atheist", because he neither believed in a god or disbelieved in a god.

    In terms of the basic philosophies of belief, one can either be a theist, an agnostic, or an atheist. Any deviation into whether one expressed a belief or disbelief makes that person step out of agnosticism and into one or the other states of mind and at a certain level of involvement.

    Russell contended that "An agnostic thinks it impossible to know the truth in matters such as God and the future life with which Christianity and other religions are concerned. Or, if not impossible, at least impossible at the present time.

    Are Agnostics Atheists?

    No. An atheist, like a Christian, holds that we can know whether or not there is a God. The Christian holds that we can know there is a God; the atheist, that we can know there is not. The Agnostic suspends judgment, saying that there are not sufficient grounds either for affirmation or for denial."

    The above would be what I (and I'd wager most other agnostics) take the term to mean and would be closer to Huxley's originally coined term than anyone else's expansions. To believe or disbelieve in a god means you are casting a judgement, at least in part, and therefore are not an agnostic, if we follow Russell's example.

    Anyway, I'm way off topic here and there's no conclusion to this kind of philosophical debate anyway, so I'll leave it there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,265 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I just realised it probably just literally means the word Grip in the past tense but why would he use that name.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,265 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Great

    Russian

    Information

    Propaganda

    Times



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,379 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Guirk

    Really

    Is

    Piss

    Taking



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,599 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think they just wanted to call it that so people would call it Grift. Same as the Tories here and their "National Conservatism" or "NatCs".

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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